[Year 12 IPM] music copyright
Andrew Grimshaw
grimshaw.andrew.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
Wed Nov 15 09:25:20 EST 2006
nicely put stephen, I couldnt agree more
andrew grimshaw
colac college
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Digby
To: 'Year 12 Information Technology Processing and ManagementTeachers'Mail=
ing List'
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] music copyright
As Dicken's noted, the law has always been an ass.
When you sit down to Monopoly you sometimes renegotiate a rule or two by m=
utual agreement, but most of the rules are set by the manufacturer.
Society is a bit like that - we didn't get to make the vast complex web of=
rules that govern us, we just get to tinker democratically with a few thing=
s at the edge while the manufacturers continue to make most of the important=
decisions. Most people just ignore the rules that they do not agree with a=
nd hope that they do not get caught..... unfortunately, as with drug laws,=
if there is a significant minority that does not agree with the law, these=
people begin to collect to gether and separate from the mainstream in many=
other ways creating what we often call a "subculture". Thus the drug subcu=
ltures, the peer to peer subcultures etc. that danger for society is that m=
any other influences and opportunists also work within these subcultures and=
the outcomes are often unpredictable and socially divisive and damaging(e.g=
. crime, lack of compliance and trust of police etc, lack of regard for othe=
r laws etc).
Thus the need to work to oppose laws that are flouted openly (and has soci=
ally accepted) OR to change the social acceptance (as has been done in my ge=
neration with drink driving).
I think that the possibly of changing the social acceptance of music shari=
ng is very unlikely..... sounds more like alcohol prohibition than drink dri=
ving.
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Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
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Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au Ph: 613 955 55 955 F=
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Ralph Waldo Emerson
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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On=
Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: 14 November 2006 11:23 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mail=
ing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] music copyright
An Age newspaper report has briefly discussed some of the changes to Austr=
alian copyright legislation. Police would be able to go to a market, find pe=
ople selling pirated CDs and issue fines on the spot. Internet Industry Ass=
ociation has stated that these changes have gone too far and activities that=
could attract fines include playing a radio in the park or even recording a=
group of students singing a song then sharing it online. It is an interesti=
ng issue that can be discussed in the classroom.
You need written permission from Time Warner to sing Happy Birthday, the c=
opyright will expire in 2030 and if I am correct, there will be no fair-use=
provisions in the legislation as it is currently drafted. Singing Happy Bir=
thday at a restaurant, a party or any gathering is considered to be a public=
performance, even humming the tune will become a criminal offense.
When you sing Happy Birthday, close all the curtains and darken the room e=
xcept perhaps for the light from a candle. Wear masks and hats to protect yo=
ur identity, perhaps helium to disguise your voice. Making humorous addition=
s and satirical modifications to the lyrics may provide further legal protec=
tion from prosecution. Of course it is best to not take the risk and enforce=
the singing public domain folk tunes and birthday melodies such as German v=
olksleiders, hymns or gospel in your classrooms.
Perhaps it would be best if we all agree kept our mouths firmly shut?
Regards Roland
PS: My saxophone playing isnt great so perhaps nobody would recognise the=
tune ..
On 05/11/06, Jeffrey Lynn <jslynn at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
The copyright issue is legally quite clear: you can make one copy of a
computer program disk (CD or DVD) for backup purposes but it is illegal=
to
copy music CDs or DVDs for any purpose. Technically, the copies of CDs I=
have in my car so I don't damage or lose my originals are quite illegal.=
As
I have discussed with my students (and as Mark says), there is no logic=
to
this, just law. However, the chances of my being prosecuted for having s=
uch
copies are fairly remote - as the copies are not for resale, redistribut=
ion,
or profit, the law is not too interested in wasting time and money
prosecuting. The real villains they are after are pirates churning out
illegal copies for sale and profit. That does not alter the fact that my
copies ARE illegal!
Note too that the copyright laws are in the process of being changed and=
are
expected to be enacted in 2007.
Jeff Lynn,
Yeshivah/Beth Rivkah Colleges
-----Original Message-----
From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]=
On
Behalf Of Mark Kelly
Sent: Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:45
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] music copyright
Nick Axaris wrote:
> I was always under the understanding that you can make a copy of a mus=
ic
CD for backup purposes and not to share or sell it.
> There should be no issue copying a song for the purpose of a presentat=
ion
as the student is not profiting or sharing that song with anyone else.
> When the presentation is over then the network manager can delete it f=
rom
the network.
> Whilst on the network just ensure that it is only accesible by the
student.
What is legal and what is logical is - as usual - mutually exclusive.
--
Mark Kelly
McKinnon Secondary College
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