[vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork

Meadows, Roslyn M Meadows.Roslyn.M at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu Apr 21 11:51:28 EST 2005

Surely it takes less time to hit DELETE than to compose an email outlining why certain 'infomercials' should not be allowed on the list.
Personally I find infomercials informative, and would never deny their existence, if they are irrelevant to me then I hit DELETE. If the email is a long one like the Tootega one, then I quickly scroll down to get the gist of the message. 
I really cannot see what all the fuss is about. 
But perhaps next time Tootega and others like them could compose a much shorter email containing a link to a website outlining in more detail what they have to offer. Those with more interest and/or time could click the link. Surely that could not offend or upset anyone.
Roslyn Meadows
Bentleigh SC


From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lawson, Margaret
Sent: Thu 21/04/2005 10:00 AM
To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork


I agree! The last thing they want is a public scathing when all they are
trying to do is let us know what they are offering.

Often a private email sent to them is more affective than being chastised
like a child in one of your classes.

For the record, I attended Ivy's presentation at the VITTA conference last
year and it was informative and professional. The notes that she produced
for everyone went well beyond the call of "presenter duty" and were very



-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Gesthuizen [mailto:rge at westallsc.vic.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2005 9:51 AM
To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork

I think it does these commercial groups and partners proud that they slog
through all the e-mails we churn out on these lists, turn up to all those
conference trade stands, grind away at all those phone calls and keep up a
brave face listening to all our gripes.

Of course, marketing has a two edged blade as Kevork pointed out so well.

Regards Roland

Roland Gesthuizen - eLearning Coordinator - Westall Secondary College

-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2005 9:34 AM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
Subject: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork

Hi Folks,

    I just want to thank Ivy for the email outlining her regret in the way
her original post was received. Also her commitment to not send emails in
that particular format , in future to this forum, .
   We all agree we don't want blatant advertising on these lists , yet short
informative messages related to supporting teachers in the classroom should
be available.
    The "pulse" of the majority of subscribers to these lists will determine
if information sent to these lists crosses the line of what is acceptable or
     Let's all support each other as we move ahead.

My best wishes to all of you

Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
Mailing List(s) Creator and Administrator
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034

>>> "Ivy Siew" <ivy at tootega.com.au> 04/20/05 09:14pm >>>
Dear members,

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all those who have
expressed concern and may be offended by my previous email announcing my
organization.  It was never my intention to offend anyone and definitely not
my intention to cause any of the concerns which have been expressed by some
members of this group.  I completely understand all comments and concerns
made so far and therefore felt that it is my responsibility to send this
email to apologize.

My intention was genuine and was mainly intended to inform all of you of
this new organization.  I'm extremely passionate about this organization and
most importantly about creative use of technologies in schools.  I was
simply using this opportunity to inform all of you that my organization can
help teachers and is available to schools as an added resource that they can

I do understand that the discussion list is not an area for advertising and
I apologize to those members who felt that I crossed the line.  My incentive
to join this list was to learn and understand the types of discussions that
are ongoing and the challenges that teachers may be facing.  More recently,
I was simply observing all the emails of people writing recommendations for
trainers, therefore I thought, may be I'll just let everyone know about what
we do.  The last thing I wanted is to cause the credibility of this list to
be jeopardized.

Please accept my sincere apologies.  I will refrain from informing in this
format in the future.

I'll be glad to receive any comments or feedback that you may like to
express to me personally at ivy at tootega.com.au. 


Ivy Siew

Director / Education IT Integrator

Tootega Creative Learning

Tel: 03 9551 8653 / (Int) +61 3 9551 8653

Mob: 0416 110 738 / (Int) +61 416 110 738

Fax: 03 9551 2286

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