[Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?
ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien
Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK at ivanhoe.com.au
Mon Mar 20 09:10:18 AEDT 2017
Hi Tony,
I'd suggest that anything (with the possible exception of a new game) has an existing system of some sort. If the student has found a real client that wants something done, then they would have to currently do it somehow. Do you have an example?
The student I have that is having the most difficulty with getting this into a diagram is looking at his pantry stock for expiry dates, but even still the existing system is a manual one. He had to do some lateral thinking to get it, but it was there.
Cheers
Damien
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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Tony Crewe
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Thanks Phil,
As you will see from previous discussions, what if the need or opportunity has no existing system - manual or digital. Do students just omit that analysis without penalty?
Then do their requirements, scope etc for their proposed solution.
Tony
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> On 20 Mar 2017, at 8:14 am, Feain, Philip A <feain.philip.a at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:feain.philip.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
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> Dear All
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> That's the existing information system for the diagrams and proposed solution for the SRS. The diagrams can go in the appendices of the SRS.
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> Kind Regards
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> Phil Feain.
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>> On 20 Mar 2017, at 8:06 am, Feain, Philip A <feain.philip.a at edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:feain.philip.a at edumail.vic.gov.au>> wrote:
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>> Dear All
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>> I have to agree with James. We are talking about the existing system for analysis. Students will draw the required diagrams and the do the SRS.
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>> Kind Regards
>>
>> Phil Feain.
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>>> On 19 Mar 2017, at 2:58 pm, Vella, James <jvella at mackillop.vic.edu.au<mailto:jvella at mackillop.vic.edu.au>> wrote:
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>>> The diagrams should be of the existing system or process.
>>>
>>> Regardless of whether students are looking to meet a need or opportunity, there is almost always some existing system or manual process in place.
>>>
>>> The SRS is part of the Analysis stage - not the Design stage.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> James
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>>> Hi all,
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>>> Just seeking clarification/confirmation as to whether the diagrams
>>> in the SRS (the Use Case & Context & DFDs) - ought to be
>>>
>>>
>>> - of the client's existing system (if they have one)
>>> or
>>>
>>> - of the student's proposed solution
>>>
>>> I guess I'm asking whether the diagrams are more useful to be drawn so students can grasp how the current system works ... or to plan how their solution should function.
>>>
>>> Page 2 of VCAA's Admin Info for SBA<http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/SBA_General.pdf> suggests that the majority of the SRS is written to describe the new solution, based on data collected about the existing one. "An analysis that defines the requirements, constraints and scope of a solution in the form of a software requirements specification"
>>>
>>> Assessment Criteria 3 reads:
>>> "Draws a set of logical conclusions with most being consistent with the data represented in the analytical tools."
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>>> Thanks,
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>>> I think best for proposed solution,
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>>> A number of students create solution based on a need or opportunity rather than an existingsituation in any case.
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>>> Tony
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>>> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just seeking clarification/confirmation as to whether the diagrams
>>> in the SRS (the Use Case & Context & DFDs) - ought to be
>>>
>>> - of the client's existing system (if they have one)
>>> or
>>>
>>> - of the student's proposed solution
>>> I guess I'm asking whether the diagrams are more useful to be drawn so students can grasp how the current system works ... or to plan how their solution should function.
>>>
>>> Page 2 of VCAA's Admin Info for SBA<http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/SBA_General.pdf> suggests that the majority of the SRS is written to describe the new solution, based on data collected about the existing one. "An analysis that defines the requirements, constraints and scope of a solution in the form of a software requirements specification"
>>>
>>> Assessment Criteria 3 reads:
>>> "Draws a set of logical conclusions with most being consistent with the data represented in the analytical tools."
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lisa Kerekes
>>> Secondary Teacher (Computing, Media)
>>> Phone: (03) 9844 2471 Ext: 266
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