[Year 12 SofDev] Re GUI and Data Structures
Mark KELLY
kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
Mon Nov 29 14:55:14 EST 2010
Thanks Russell. That sounds like what I do.
On 29 November 2010 13:35, Russell Quinn <QN at boxhillhs.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi,
> I read into a user defined structure and take the part(s) I
> want, process as I want and place them into the (say)
> list box. The reason I do this I learned in my professional
> career - you keep control and are not messed around with
> changes introduced in new versions. It is a reliable approach.
> For example, we always wrote unix scripts on Borne shell since
> it is the most basic and does not change. I teach my students
> that the easiest or most stylish is not always the best.
>
> Regards,
>
> Russell Quinn
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> 1. Re: Trying to understand the new course (Lony Hem)
> 2. Re: Trying to understand the new course (Lony Hem)
> 3. A matter of style - GUI data structures vs primitives (Mark
> KELLY)
> 4. Re: A matter of style - GUI data structures vs primitives
> (Laurie Savage)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:20:20 +1100
> From: Lony Hem <lonyhem1 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
> To: <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
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>
> Great!
>
> Thanks all for your tips and links.
>
> @Mark
> I'd most likely be spending my sunny days on this too...
>
> Regards,
>
> Lony
>
> From: kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:39:45 +1100
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
>
> Welcome Lony.
>
> I've done a side-by-side comparison of the old and new ITA outcomes, but
> not of those in SD.
>
> Best advice I can give is to find a couple of different coloured
> highlighters, crack open both study designs and compare each outcome for
> similar and new key knowledge content.
>
>
>
> A fun way to spend a rainy weekend ;-)
>
> Regards
> Mark
>
> On 27 November 2010 10:10, Davies, Brett <bdavies at woodleigh.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
>
> Lony,
>
>
>
> welcome aboard:
>
>
>
>
>
> The two resources you need are:
>
>
>
> 1: Mark Kelly's http://www.vceit.com
>
> 2: Adrian Jansons http://www.adrianjanson.com.au/
>
>
>
> Read them and your gonna feel better
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> Behalf Of Lony Hem [lonyhem1 at hotmail.com]
>
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:34 AM
>
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
>
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I've just registered on this edumail.
>
> I'm new teacher out, teaching this subject next year for the first time.
>
> This years resources has been handed over to me.
>
>
>
> My questions are:
>
> How much of this years exam/resources would be relevant to the new study
> design?
>
> What are the new things I'd be adding to the current resources? Already I
> am hearing things such as SRS, ISO and UML use case.
>
>
>
> Thanks all for your time.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Lony Hem
>
>
>
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> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager Information Systems
> Reporting Manager
> IT Learning Area Manager
>
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204
> Victoria, Australia
>
>
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> Fax +613 9578 9253
> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>
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>
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> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:21:43 +1100
> From: Lony Hem <lonyhem1 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
> To: <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
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> Hi Renata,
>
> May i request Helen, Kate's email please.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lony
>
> From: lonyhem1 at hotmail.com
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:20:20 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Great!
>
> Thanks all for your tips and links.
>
> @Mark
> I'd most likely be spending my sunny days on this too...
>
> Regards,
>
> Lony
>
> From: kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:39:45 +1100
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
>
> Welcome Lony.
>
> I've done a side-by-side comparison of the old and new ITA outcomes, but
> not of those in SD.
>
> Best advice I can give is to find a couple of different coloured
> highlighters, crack open both study designs and compare each outcome for
> similar and new key knowledge content.
>
>
>
> A fun way to spend a rainy weekend ;-)
>
> Regards
> Mark
>
> On 27 November 2010 10:10, Davies, Brett <bdavies at woodleigh.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
>
> Lony,
>
>
>
> welcome aboard:
>
>
>
>
>
> The two resources you need are:
>
>
>
> 1: Mark Kelly's http://www.vceit.com
>
> 2: Adrian Jansons http://www.adrianjanson.com.au/
>
>
>
> Read them and your gonna feel better
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On
> Behalf Of Lony Hem [lonyhem1 at hotmail.com]
>
>
>
> Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:34 AM
>
> To: sofdev at edulists.com.au
>
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I've just registered on this edumail.
>
> I'm new teacher out, teaching this subject next year for the first time.
>
> This years resources has been handed over to me.
>
>
>
> My questions are:
>
> How much of this years exam/resources would be relevant to the new study
> design?
>
> What are the new things I'd be adding to the current resources? Already I
> am hearing things such as SRS, ISO and UML use case.
>
>
>
> Thanks all for your time.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Lony Hem
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> http://www.edulists.com.au - FAQ, Subscribe, Unsubscribe
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> IT Software Development Mailing List kindly supported by
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>
> http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/softwaredevel3-4.html
>
> http://www.vitta.org.au - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers
> Association Inc
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager Information Systems
> Reporting Manager
> IT Learning Area Manager
>
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204
> Victoria, Australia
>
>
> Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085
> Fax +613 9578 9253
> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>
> VCE IT Lecture Notes: http://vceit.com
>
>
> Moderator: IT Applications Edulist
>
> My cow died on this day two years ago. I know because I noted it in my
> dairy.
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:38:39 +1100
> From: Mark KELLY <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] A matter of style - GUI data structures vs
> primitives
> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"
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> Hi all. Just had an odd passing thought while working on a programming
> skills theory slideshow. (Don't you hate it when you actually start *
> thinking* while getting work done?)
>
> Most programming languages now offer GUI data structures like listboxes,
> grids etc.
> I'm interested to know how many people use them as their primary data
> structures as opposed to using arrays to store and manipulate data and then
> populating the GUI structure with data from the array.
>
> I tend to use the latter method for intensive manipulation needs, and the
> former for simple storage & display.
>
> What sort of performance penalty does the use of the GUI data structure
> impose? Do the GUI structure's capabilities (e.g. auto-sorting lists)
> outweigh the penalty?
> How efficient is the GUI's inbuilt sorting algorithm compared to a good
> do-it-yourself sorting algorithm? (I tend to think the built-in one will
> beat mine any day.)
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager Information Systems
> Reporting Manager
> IT Learning Area Manager
>
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204
> Victoria, Australia
> Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085
> Fax +613 9578 9253
> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>
> VCE IT Lecture Notes: http://vceit.com
> Moderator: IT Applications Edulist
> My cow died on this day two years ago. I know because I noted it in my
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> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:50:36 +1100
> From: "Laurie Savage" <savage.john.l at edumail.vic.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] A matter of style - GUI data structures
> vs primitives
> To: "'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'"
> <sofdev at edulists.com.au>
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> Serious question: Is a GUI widget a data structure or a tool for displaying
> a data structure?
>
>
>
> Laurie
>
> PVGC
>
>
>
> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Mark KELLY
> Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 10:39 AM
> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] A matter of style - GUI data structures vs
> primitives
>
>
>
> Hi all. Just had an odd passing thought while working on a programming
> skills theory slideshow. (Don't you hate it when you actually start
> thinking while getting work done?)
>
> Most programming languages now offer GUI data structures like listboxes,
> grids etc.
> I'm interested to know how many people use them as their primary data
> structures as opposed to using arrays to store and manipulate data and then
> populating the GUI structure with data from the array.
>
> I tend to use the latter method for intensive manipulation needs, and the
> former for simple storage & display.
>
> What sort of performance penalty does the use of the GUI data structure
> impose? Do the GUI structure's capabilities (e.g. auto-sorting lists)
> outweigh the penalty?
> How efficient is the GUI's inbuilt sorting algorithm compared to a good
> do-it-yourself sorting algorithm? (I tend to think the built-in one will
> beat mine any day.)
>
> --
> Mark Kelly
> Manager Information Systems
> Reporting Manager
> IT Learning Area Manager
>
> McKinnon Secondary College
> McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204
> Victoria, Australia
> Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085
> Fax +613 9578 9253
> kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
>
> VCE IT Lecture Notes: http://vceit.com
> Moderator: IT Applications Edulist
> My cow died on this day two years ago. I know because I noted it in my
> dairy.
>
>
>
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Mark Kelly
Manager Information Systems
Reporting Manager
IT Learning Area Manager
McKinnon Secondary College
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204
Victoria, Australia
Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085
Fax +613 9578 9253
kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
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