Thanks Russell. That sounds like what I do.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 November 2010 13:35, Russell Quinn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:QN@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au">QN@boxhillhs.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
I read into a user defined structure and take the part(s) I<br>
want, process as I want and place them into the (say)<br>
list box. The reason I do this I learned in my professional<br>
career - you keep control and are not messed around with<br>
changes introduced in new versions. It is a reliable approach.<br>
For example, we always wrote unix scripts on Borne shell since<br>
it is the most basic and does not change. I teach my students<br>
that the easiest or most stylish is not always the best.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Russell Quinn<br>
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1. Re: Trying to understand the new course (Lony Hem)<br>
2. Re: Trying to understand the new course (Lony Hem)<br>
3. A matter of style - GUI data structures vs primitives (Mark KELLY)<br>
4. Re: A matter of style - GUI data structures vs primitives<br>
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:20:20 +1100<br>
From: Lony Hem <<a href="mailto:lonyhem1@hotmail.com">lonyhem1@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
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Great!<br>
<br>
Thanks all for your tips and links.<br>
<br>
@Mark<br>
I'd most likely be spending my sunny days on this too...<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Lony<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:39:45 +1100<br>
To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
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Welcome Lony.<br>
<br>
I've done a side-by-side comparison of the old and new ITA outcomes, but not of those in SD.<br>
<br>
Best advice I can give is to find a couple of different coloured highlighters, crack open both study designs and compare each outcome for similar and new key knowledge content.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
A fun way to spend a rainy weekend ;-)<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
On 27 November 2010 10:10, Davies, Brett <<a href="mailto:bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au">bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<br>
Lony,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
welcome aboard:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The two resources you need are:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1: Mark Kelly's <a href="http://www.vceit.com" target="_blank">http://www.vceit.com</a><br>
<br>
2: Adrian Jansons <a href="http://www.adrianjanson.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.adrianjanson.com.au/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Read them and your gonna feel better<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Brett<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
________________________________________<br>
<br>
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Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:34 AM<br>
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I've just registered on this edumail.<br>
<br>
I'm new teacher out, teaching this subject next year for the first time.<br>
<br>
This years resources has been handed over to me.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My questions are:<br>
<br>
How much of this years exam/resources would be relevant to the new study design?<br>
<br>
What are the new things I'd be adding to the current resources? Already I am hearing things such as SRS, ISO and UML use case.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks all for your time.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Lony Hem<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:21:43 +1100<br>
From: Lony Hem <<a href="mailto:lonyhem1@hotmail.com">lonyhem1@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
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Hi Renata,<br>
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May i request Helen, Kate's email please.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Lony<br>
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Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 20:20:20 +1100<br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Great!<br>
<br>
Thanks all for your tips and links.<br>
<br>
@Mark<br>
I'd most likely be spending my sunny days on this too...<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Lony<br>
<br>
From: <a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 10:39:45 +1100<br>
To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
<br>
Welcome Lony.<br>
<br>
I've done a side-by-side comparison of the old and new ITA outcomes, but not of those in SD.<br>
<br>
Best advice I can give is to find a couple of different coloured highlighters, crack open both study designs and compare each outcome for similar and new key knowledge content.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
A fun way to spend a rainy weekend ;-)<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
On 27 November 2010 10:10, Davies, Brett <<a href="mailto:bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au">bdavies@woodleigh.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Lony,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
welcome aboard:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The two resources you need are:<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1: Mark Kelly's <a href="http://www.vceit.com" target="_blank">http://www.vceit.com</a><br>
<br>
2: Adrian Jansons <a href="http://www.adrianjanson.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.adrianjanson.com.au/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Read them and your gonna feel better<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Brett<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
________________________________________<br>
<br>
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Sent: Saturday, 27 November 2010 9:34 AM<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<br>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Trying to understand the new course<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi all,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I've just registered on this edumail.<br>
<br>
I'm new teacher out, teaching this subject next year for the first time.<br>
<br>
This years resources has been handed over to me.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My questions are:<br>
<br>
How much of this years exam/resources would be relevant to the new study design?<br>
<br>
What are the new things I'd be adding to the current resources? Already I am hearing things such as SRS, ISO and UML use case.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks all for your time.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Lony Hem<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:38:39 +1100<br>
From: Mark KELLY <<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>><br>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] A matter of style - GUI data structures vs<br>
primitives<br>
To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"<br>
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Hi all. Just had an odd passing thought while working on a programming<br>
skills theory slideshow. (Don't you hate it when you actually start *<br>
thinking* while getting work done?)<br>
<br>
Most programming languages now offer GUI data structures like listboxes,<br>
grids etc.<br>
I'm interested to know how many people use them as their primary data<br>
structures as opposed to using arrays to store and manipulate data and then<br>
populating the GUI structure with data from the array.<br>
<br>
I tend to use the latter method for intensive manipulation needs, and the<br>
former for simple storage & display.<br>
<br>
What sort of performance penalty does the use of the GUI data structure<br>
impose? Do the GUI structure's capabilities (e.g. auto-sorting lists)<br>
outweigh the penalty?<br>
How efficient is the GUI's inbuilt sorting algorithm compared to a good<br>
do-it-yourself sorting algorithm? (I tend to think the built-in one will<br>
beat mine any day.)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Mark Kelly<br>
Manager Information Systems<br>
Reporting Manager<br>
IT Learning Area Manager<br>
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McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204<br>
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:50:36 +1100<br>
From: "Laurie Savage" <<a href="mailto:savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au">savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] A matter of style - GUI data structures<br>
vs primitives<br>
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Serious question: Is a GUI widget a data structure or a tool for displaying<br>
a data structure?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Laurie<br>
<br>
PVGC<br>
<br>
<br>
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Sent: Monday, 29 November 2010 10:39 AM<br>
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] A matter of style - GUI data structures vs<br>
primitives<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi all. Just had an odd passing thought while working on a programming<br>
skills theory slideshow. (Don't you hate it when you actually start<br>
thinking while getting work done?)<br>
<br>
Most programming languages now offer GUI data structures like listboxes,<br>
grids etc.<br>
I'm interested to know how many people use them as their primary data<br>
structures as opposed to using arrays to store and manipulate data and then<br>
populating the GUI structure with data from the array.<br>
<br>
I tend to use the latter method for intensive manipulation needs, and the<br>
former for simple storage & display.<br>
<br>
What sort of performance penalty does the use of the GUI data structure<br>
impose? Do the GUI structure's capabilities (e.g. auto-sorting lists)<br>
outweigh the penalty?<br>
How efficient is the GUI's inbuilt sorting algorithm compared to a good<br>
do-it-yourself sorting algorithm? (I tend to think the built-in one will<br>
beat mine any day.)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Mark Kelly<br>
Manager Information Systems<br>
Reporting Manager<br>
IT Learning Area Manager<br>
<br>
McKinnon Secondary College<br>
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204<br>
Victoria, Australia<br>
Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085<br>
Fax +613 9578 9253<br>
<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
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