[Year 12 IT Apps] Students meeting outcomes

[geoffmoss37 at bigpond.com]

Hi Stephanie

I agree with Robert.  Keep in mind that the granting of the 'S' does not need to occur in the production of the SAC.  The student should be/is able to demonstrate these skills during the time of the outcome, including the practice SAC and any other preparatory classes, as well as during the SAC.

This enables a student who was unable to attend or complete a SAC due to illness or any other excuse that does not allow an extension to gain an 'S' for the outcome.

Geoff Moss
RMIT

---- Robert <robert at yinnar.com> wrote: 
> Hi Stephanie,
> 
> Neither Wonderful nor Wise, but certainly older than Mark :-)
> 
> To add to Mark Scott's response to your question. I do not agree with Mark.
> 
> The study design clearly states that
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> "The award of satisfactory completion for a unit is based on a decision that the student has demonstrated achievement of the set of outcomes specified for the unit. This decision will be based on the teacher's assessment of the student's performance on assessment tasks designated for the unit."
> 
> So in terms of Unit 3 Outcome 2, Task 1, the student would have to
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> "Design, and develop using a relational database management system, a solution to an information problem"
> 
> This does require the student to, amongst other things: ( See Assessment Handbook )
>   a.. select and use appropriate software functions of relational database management software, as published annually in the VCAA Bulletin VCE, VCAL and VET, to create database tables, relationships among them and to construct queries to retrieve required information (underlining mine)
> If your student did not do this then he should not get an S. By your description he did not did not do all this.
> 
> By all means give him a chance to redeem himself, in fact you should do this.
> 
> Robert Hind
> Retired
> Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Mark Scott 
>   To: 'Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List'  
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:42 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Students meeting outcomes
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>   Hi Steph
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>   Not sure if I qualify as Wonderful or Wise but.
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>   Yes this is an S.
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>   We did away with the concept of "fail" years ago so we could brag about the "pass" rate at VCE.
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>   Mark
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>   From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Stephanie POLAN
>   Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013 3:21 PM
>   To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>   Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Students meeting outcomes
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>   Good Afternoon Wonderfully Wise People,
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>   I'm looking for your professional opinion on the topic of how much work a student must produce in order to gain an S on outcome 2 unit 3.
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>   I have a student that opened Access, created a table, created a query that didn't do anything 'query-like' he did all the sorting and calculating outside of Access. 
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>   Apparently this is enough to get an S. 
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>   This is my first year teaching year 12 and find this concept unbelievable, I can not comprehend this. 
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>   Your professional opinion/coping strategies would be  much appreciated. 
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>   Steph Polan
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>   -- 
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>   Miss Polan
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>   McKinnon SC
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