[Year 12 IPM] OT: Girls in IT (was LAN gaming)

Sun Mar 12 17:03:43 EST 2006

Pia Waugh - Vice President of Linux Australia recently spoke at the
following event... she says a similar event is being organised in
Melbourne... so I thought this might be of interest...

http://gogirlwa.org.au/index.php

On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 22:52 +1100, Diane Peat wrote:
> Hello everyone
> In answer to Margaret's query about Computer Clubs, I hate to say we tried
> but had no takers, even among the Year 7 students!
> They just don't see it as 'cool'.
> 
> Diane Peat
> Firbank Grammar School
> BRIGHTON   VIC   3186
> Tel	(03) 9591 5188
> Email	dpeat at firbank.vic.edu.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On
> Behalf Of Lawson, Margaret
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2006 11:42 AM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'MailingList
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming
> 
> Keep the suggestions coming!
> 
> We are grappling with the impact of multiplayer networked games in the
> classroom ... and how to harness that power for good and not evil!
> 
> Are there any Girls schools that run computer clubs?
> 
> Margaret
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Keith Richardson
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 7:50 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming
> 
> Stephen - I totally disagree!
> If we carried your hypothesis to its logical conclusion, the only sports
> games we would allow on the sport field or in the playground would be
> <<"games" that deliver quality educational outcomes>>.
> Computing, reading, running, catching, argueing, debating are all
> legitimate human activities. Get a life, I say!
> To me passion is everything - if people are passionately motivated, you
> can climb mountains with them...
> Back to you, my friend!
> Keith
> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:28:59 +1100, "Stephen Digby"
> <digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au> said:
> > Suggest that only "games" that deliver quality educational outcomes be
> > allowed in schools - full stop.
> > We go out of our way to make the distinction between the legitimate
> use
> > of computers in homes for a variety of purposes (from sexual
> > gratification, through entertainment, to business and often some small
> > education component) and the special use of computers in
> > school for exclusively education purposes.
> >
> > Children arrive at school with a sense that the "natural" use of
> > computers (and TV !) is entertainment.  Every time we allow this
> > within school, we accept that this is true and that educational
> > activities are inherently second rate and can only be sustained with
> > extrinsic motivators or punishments.
> >
> > I have the same opposition to the short-sighted use of videos,
> > entertaining excursion and being "let off" early as rewards for good
> > work.
> > They all add to the same perception that education is drudgery.  That
> all
> > gain can be achieved without any pain.  That perseverance
> > is sometimes regrettably necessary in some subjects (probably because
> the
> > teacher is not much good, or the content is old fashioned)
> > etc etc.
> >
> > By all means involve students in game analysis and design which will
> > involve playing in a disciplined, and reflective manner.  But
> > make sure that the games analysed, designed and played have deep
> > intellectual content and preferably significant cultural
> > significance.
> >
> > Students ARE challenged by playing war games - everything from chess,
> > through RISK to historical battle simulations.  They can learn
> > excellent thinking skills, interpersonal strategies and a great deal
> of
> > history IF the experience is guided by a good teacher (or
> > parent).
> >
> > "Fun, amusement, entertainment" are often by products of a well
> designed
> > educational activity - they should never be a core
> > objective - even at lunchtime.
> >
> > As teachers, we can always invent some jargon filled rationalisation
> for
> > what we often know to be capitulation to a culture of
> > "little brain".
> > If they are to play LAN games, make it "serious", make it challenging,
> > make it  - make it educational.....  Can you do it ?
> > Honestly ?  If not, don't.
> >
> >
> ========================================================================
> ==============
> > Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager
> > digby.stephen.p at edumail.vic.gov.au
> > Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au Ph: 613 955 55
> 955
> > Fx: 9555 8617
> >
> ========================================================================
> ==============
> >
> >
> >
> > We Trained hard.....but it seemed that every time we were beginning to
> > form up into teams, we would be re-organised... I was to
> > learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by
> > re-organising....and a wonderful method it can be for creating the
> > illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency and
> > demoralisation. Petronius 210 BC
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On
> > Behalf Of WEIR Andrew
> > Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 7:15 PM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> > Thanks for that we have started to investigate games without a
> violence
> > aspect straight after i sent the email the students involved
> > understand the issues with perception of violence.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Shortell
> > Sent: Mon 2/27/2006 3:32 PM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'MailingList
> > Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming
> >
> > Andrew,
> > Counter strike is a game that encourages a lot of noise from the
> > participants. (I really mean a lot.)  The game server needs its
> firewall
> > disabled. The game runs quicker on a dedicated machine.
> >
> > Questions I would ask include:
> > Parental permission ?
> > Encouraging violence?
> > Against the ethos of TC College - religious affiliation etc,
> biblically
> > inclined parents etc
> > Bad reaction from RE teachers?
> >
> > The fact that it will be almost entirely boys .. this is not a girl
> > friendly environment ...
> >
> > I endured it on Wednesday afternoons last year --- some loved it, some
> 
> > grew bored
> >
> > LAN gaming is big, there must be better ones out there than CS
> > Good luck
> >
> > Andrew Shortell
> > Braemar College
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> 
> > On Behalf Of WEIR Andrew
> > Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 3:07 PM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'MailingList
> > Subject: [Year 12 IPM] OT : LAN gaming
> >
> > Apologies for the off topic question
> >
> > Some of my students have expressed interest in wanting to run a lunch
> > time LAN party using the schools network before we rule it out or go
> > ahead with it I wanted to see if any other schools had actually done
> it
> > and what issues we might face.
> >
> > We have already begun to look at the following aspects;
> > Game Rating and audience.
> > Licenses
> > Installation
> >
> > The students wanted to use Counter strike. There idea is charge a
> small
> > admission fee and donate the money to charity.
> >
> > Any help or advice would be great.
> > Andrew
> >
> > Andrew Weir
> > Head Of Information Technology
> > VK3HFT
> > Thomas Carr College
> > 35 Thomas Carr College Tarneit
> >
> >
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