[vet-mm] Cert II or Cert III

Allan Barnes abarnes at aiet.com.au
Thu Dec 16 10:50:26 EST 2010

Hi Jeanean

Because there is a bit of overlap between the Cert II and Cert III packaging
rules and the same units are listed in both qualifications, students can
gain a Cert II and Cert III over 2 years. If you select the units
accordingly, students can complete 18 units and gain both the Cert II and
the Cert III over the two year period. If DE Vic are doing 8 units at Unit 3
/ 4 level then conceivably they could deliver 10 units at the Unit 1 and 2
level and students can get both qualifications by the end of the second





Kind regards


Allan Barnes, CEO

Australian Institute of Education and Training

P.O. Box 171

Brunswick West 3055

Melbourne, Victoria

Ph: (03) 9387 2051

FAX: (03) 9387 3470

Mobile: 0409 428 221




From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Jeanean Pritchard
Sent: Thursday, 16 December 2010 10:29 AM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: [vet-mm] Cert II or Cert III


Hi all,


In the last few weeks we have had a little bit of trouble with a student who
wanted to take IDM and another subject that was blocked on at the same time.
We investigated the Distance Ed IDM course as a possible solution. I was
amazed to find that they offer Cert III in only one year (at a year twelve
level - units 3/4).

I did ring and leave a message for Distance Ed to phone me back, but they
did not. We have since resolved the situation for our student, but it left
me wondering about the Distance Ed course.


On further investigation of their Cert III on their web page, I saw that
they only study eight units rather than the eleven stipulated in the
training package. It seems that they must make up the missing units by
ensuring that their students study Cert II Creative Industries in year
eleven. Perhaps they take overlapping units. This detail wasn't available on
the web site. I asked my VCE co-ordinator if this would meet VCAA
requirements but he said he wasn't sure and it sounded tricky.


We study Cert III over two years (yr 11 and 12) at Highview. We also offer
Creative Industries at a year ten level. This coming year, the creative
industries course was not a popular selection and as such, it will not be
offered during 2011.


I wonder how do you all run your courses? If Distance Ed can do a cert II
and a cert III in only two years, perhaps this might be possible for us?
This is the question that our VCE co-ordinator has now asked me. Having
checked out the hours requirement, I would be extremely reluctant to do it
this way. I do not even know how Distance Ed possibly manages to meet these
requirements at all. I usually do not recommend students take Distance Ed
subjects because I generally find they have a limited success by the very
nature of having limited contact with their Distance Ed teachers.


I would be very interested in your feedback please.








Jeanean Pritchard
Media, Music & Arts
Highview Christian Community College
Maryborough Victoria
jpritchard at highview.vic.edu.au



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