[vet-mm] VCE VET IDM

Wed Aug 6 11:26:02 EST 2008

Hi,

Just to follow up on my earlier email, I should probably mention that
the Distance Education Centre is a fairly unique setting. We cater to
students from around the state who are unable to undertake their studies
due to classes being under-enrolled at their school, as well as students
who might be travelling, or working overseas, or seriously ill.
Therefore, our students have a range of requirements that we need to
meet if we are going to help them achieve academic success. One strategy
is to give these students a combination of long-term and short-term
goals, which is why a program that allows them to achieve a certificate
each year has worked so well for us up until now.

This morning, I spoke to Lisa Burgess at the VCAA, who has confirmed
that the program I outlined yesterday can be undertaken by students who
want to receive the Certificate II in Creative Industries (Media) in
their first year, and the Certificate III in Media in their second year.
I recognize that this has two potential problems: firstly, it greatly
limits the electives that we can offer; and, secondly, it means that the
year 11 course is 245 nominal hours, which may be too long for some
providers. However, I believe that these problems are outweighed by the
benefits to students within our setting, for the reasons I've outlined
above, and that the units the students will undertake are broad enough
that they can still allow us to design dynamic tasks in a range of
media.

All the best,

Luke Jackson
RTO Training Officer
Trainer, Multimedia (Cert II and III) 
Teacher, Media (Units 3 and 4)
Distance Education Centre Victoria
ph: 8480 0197
ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au

-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Geraldine McKenna
Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:31 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM

Thanks so much Suz and Claire for leading me in the right direction.
Question re Luke's proposed structure. I am not clear as to why you
would
offer the two additional core units with the Cert 2. Is this because of
time? That is - not enough time to complete all Cert 3 units in Year 12.
I
think it would be preferable to be able to offer a complete Cert 2 in
year
11.
Geraldine McKenna
Avila College
Mt Waverley

On 5/8/08 9:56 PM, "ARNOTT Suz" <SA at emc.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> hehehe you beat me to it Claire...
> I was just looking for the NTIS site when I checked back in my mail :)
> 
> The training package can be daunting when you first get it, it can be
> difficult to decipher what it all means at times. I have downloaded
the whole
> thing from the NTIS site, which makes it easier to do copy and pastes
of just
> the stuff that is relevant to our units, as there are many we don't
need in
> there as well.
> 
> Geraldine, when you look through the package you get the overview of
each
> course, and then in a different section (which is when the hyperlinked
site
> makes life easier) you get the assessment details - the performance
criteria
> is what needs to be covered to show competence in that unit.
> I generally break those up into what tasks need to be completed to
enable the
> students to develop the skills and then the competence.
> With all of the new ones.... I am looking forward to creating
something
> interesting :)
> We cover the work placement by trying to set the course up as a
workplace.
> This new package opens up other fields where it may be more easy to
find
> placements....
> 
> Claire.. I have only been skimming... rushing around charging
batteries and
> getting stuff ready for tomorrow..., and not looked too deeply into it
yet,
> but has anything been said about an exam? or will it be like most of
the other
> VCE VET studies - no exam, and an enter score generated from their
other
> subjects?
> 
> cheers
> Suz
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On
> Behalf Of claire [claire at warrandytehigh.vic.edu.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 9:40 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
> 
> Hi Geraldine,
> The Units of Competency should all be available on the National
Training
> website.
> Not all are available thru the search engine, but they are there as
part of
> the downloadable training package.
> 
> For example the Unit BSBCRT101A: Apply critical thinking techniques
> can be found at
> http://www.ntis.gov.au/?/trainingpackage/BSB07/unit/BSBCRT101A
> 
> CUFDIG302A: Author interactive sequences
> can be found at
>
http://www.ntis.gov.au/Default.aspx?/trainingpackage/CUF07/unit/CUFDIG30
2A
> 
> CUFRES201A: Collect and organise content for broadcast or publication
>
http://www.ntis.gov.au/Default.aspx?/trainingpackage/CUF07/unit/CUFRES20
1A
> and so on...
> However, if you have purchased the training package, I would have
thought the
> info should be in that document?
> 
> Work placement is strongly encouraged but not mandated because it is
very
> difficult to obtain in the Multimedia industry.
> Claire Bloom
> Warrandyte High
> 
> 
> Geraldine McKenna wrote:
> 
> I am introducing the new IDM course in 2009 having not done VET
Multimedia
> to date. As I am teaching at a girls school I feel that the new course
will
> suit the girls better than ITA where numbers have been dropping. I
will
> certainly be looking for some help with this. I purchased the Training
> Package a while ago but it does not have the details of content for
each
> unit. Could someone please advise as to where to purchase the complete
> package? Also is work placement usually a requirement for the CERT 2
or 3?
> Thanks in advance.
> Geraldine McKenna
> Avila College
> Mt Waverley
> 
> 
> On 5/8/08 6:55 PM, "Ana Tuckerman"
>
<atuckerman at elthamcollege.vic.edu.au><mailto:atuckerman at elthamcollege.vi
c.edu.
> au>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Yah course is set, approved and published........but I think Luke
might be
> right. Considering a lot of the Core units could be done at the same
time, and
> all we would have to do is add a few extra UOC into the year 11 course
to
> cover both.
> Its worth looking at for those who dont want to drop the cert 2.
> Im not sure yet. I like the idea of taking my time and doing the cert
3 in 2
> years, however im sure my school will put in their 2 cents.
> :)
> 
> Ana Tuckerman
> Multimedia and Media Department
> ELTHAM College of Education
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au> on
> behalf of Andrew Shortell
> Sent: Tue 8/5/2008 3:19 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
> 
> The course is already set
> And approved
> And published
> 
> See VCAA
> 
> Andrew Shortell
> Braemar College
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Luke Jackson
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 3:06 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> My apologies if this covers the same ground as other people's posts,
or
> if I'm totally off the mark with my thinking here, however it seems to
> me that we could offer a complete Cert II at year 11 and a complete
Cert
> III at year 12 if we structure them as follows. Of course, they are 65
> nominal hours over the amount that they should be, which may be
> completely unacceptable considering this is VET in VCE.
> 
> Cert II:
> CORE UNITS (75 hours)
> Apply critical thinking techniques
> Develop and apply creative arts industry knowledge
> Participate in OHS processes
> Work effectively with others
> 
> ADDITIONAL CORE UNITS (40 hours)
> Work effectively in the screen and media industries
> Produce and prepare photo images
> 
> SPECIALIST UNITS (50 hours)
> Maintain interactive content
> Collect and organize content for broadcast or publication
> 
> ELECTIVE UNITS (80 hours)
> Develop and extend critical and creative thinking skills
> Follow a design process
> 
> Subtotal: 245 hours
> 
> 
> CERT III:
> CORE UNITS
> Develop and extend critical and creative thinking skills (already
> covered)
> Work effectively in the screen and media industries (already covered)
> Participate in OHS processes (already covered)
> Produce and prepare photo images (already covered)
> 
> ELECTIVE UNITS
> Maintain interactive content (already covered)
> Collect for broadcast or publication (already covered)
> Follow a design process (already covered)
> 
> VCE VET Units 3 and 4 UNITS
> Create 2D digital animations
> Write content for a range of media
> Explore and apply the creative design process to 2D forms
> Author interactive sequences
> Prepare video assets
> Create visual design components
> 
> Subtotal: 225
> 
> Total number of hours 470
> 
> 
> Luke Jackson
> RTO Training Officer
> Trainer, Multimedia (Cert II and III)
> Teacher, Media (Units 3 and 4)
> Distance Education Centre Victoria
> ph: 8480 0197
> ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au<mailto:ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 2:09 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
> 
> Hi Suz,
> 
> Not wishing to steal your thunder, but I've had wikis running for
quite
> some time at Edulists from the home page if it is any help.
> 
> Take Care
> 
> Kevork
> 
> 
> 
> ARNOTT Suz <SA at emc.vic.edu.au><mailto:SA at emc.vic.edu.au> 5/08/2008
1:08 pm >>>
> 
> 
> I would be more than happy to set up a wiki....
> With falling numbers I have been a bit quite here of late... but ummm
> being one of the "arty" ones I am quite reinspired to get this thing
> working well...
> I won't be offering it next year, as our course selection is already
> finished, and subjects have been allocated etc. but looking forward to
> jumping back in in 2010
> 
> I know Kevork has a great set up with the edulist thing, but I love
the
> interaction of the wiki, and will be setting one up regardless, even
if
> just for my own personal course development
> Just set one up...
> http://vetidm.wikispaces.com/
> nothing on it yet, will play later...
> I have set it up that you need to join the group,
> Hope this helps :)
> Cheers
> Suz
> 
> I want to explore the set stuff more... flat out with Rock Eisteddfod
> today and tomorrow... back to earth on Thursday :)
> 
> Suzanne Arnott
> ICT Staff Support
> Photography and Multimedia Coordinator
> Elisabeth Murdoch College
> Langwarrin
> 
> "A master can tell you what he expects of you. A teacher, though,
> awakens your own expectations."
> - Patricia Nea
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Luke Jackson
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:20 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I think that the idea of establishing a common repository, both for
> ideas and finished products/assignments is great. I'm creating for an
> Online course, but would be happy to share some resources. I have been
> using resources provided by this group this year, and have found them
> invaluable in keeping the course up-to-date. It should also help us
with
> our validation, since it provides peer feedback on our work that those
> of us who are working on our own would otherwise not have access to.
> 
> Luke Jackson
> RTO Training Officer
> Trainer, Multimedia (Cert II and III)
> Teacher, Media (Units 3 and 4)
> Distance Education Centre Victoria
> ph: 8480 0197
> ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au<mailto:ljackson at distance.vic.edu.au>
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Shortell
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:09 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM
> 
> There is also the issue that all of the industry representatives on
the
> panel were of the opinion that a cert 2 was no use in getting a job in
> the industry. The cert 3 is the minimum to actually be employed in
> interactive media and people with only  a cert 3 were not actually
going
> to be allowed in most cases to touch scripting in a work environment
so
> it might be more sensible to only have it appear in cert 4.
> 
> There is a great opportunity to make the course exciting while still
> staying within the confines of the course - especially for the more
> "arty" amongst us. The IT people (such as me) will need some more
> support to be "arty" but the students should (I hope) stress less over
> this course.
> 
> Anyone who worries about partial completion:  if they drop off after
> year 11 / unit 1,2 then change their mind a year later any TAFE should
> give them RPL for what they have already done - especially if the TAFE
> is their RTO
> 
> Any student who has chosen it already for next year is taking our
> enthusiasm on faith and believes that we can produce a course that
will
> be good. So let's do it.
> 
> Btw: is there anyone who is prepared to set up a common moodle / wiki
> for all to access and share on?
> That could be the best way around the issue of resources and sharing
and
> we could treat it as common ground.
> 
> Andrew Shortell
> Braemar College
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of claire
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 9:45 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
> 
> Because it was not possible to complete the new Cert 3 in one year,
> there was a dilemma, ie that students finish Units 1-4 with only a
Cert
> 2 and partial Cert 3.
> I think industry, tertiary institutions and most teachers would agree
it
> is better to come out of VCE with a completed Cert 3. Doing Cert 2 and
3
> really requires 3 years so some schools may offer the Cert 2 at year
10
> and then go onto Cert 3 at year 11 and 12.
> Claire Bloom
> Warrandyte High
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Michelle Dennis 
>
<mdennis at mentonegirls.vic.edu.au><mailto:mdennis at mentonegirls.vic.edu.au
>
> wrote:
> 
> To me, it depends on your perspective and how you're selling it to the
> kids.  For my students, having a certificate at the end of year 11 if
> they wish to do the 1/2 sequence is a drawcard and has increased
> enrolment.  Year 10s especially don't want to necessarily commit to a
> 
> 
> 2
> 
> 
> year course until they get a chance to see what it is like, but also
> perceive partial-completions as being less than desirable.
> 
> Michelle Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Brian Pearce
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 8:24 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
> 
> Hi Ana,
> 
> I can see too, but now I have a headache.
> 
> Does it mean that we have to provide both Yr 11 pathways so that those
> who chose to finish at Yr 11 have a "certificate". It seems if we just
> offer the Cert III in Media those that drop out at Yr 11 will only
> 
> 
> have
> 
> 
> a partial completion of Cert III in Media. Will this be any better or
> worse than a completed Cert II in Creative Industries ( Media )? Does
> the VCAA require that we offer both Certificates or is it optional?
> 
> Also, without seeing the details, it looks like it might be possible
> 
> 
> to
> 
> 
> maintain some scripting under the Author Interactive Sequences UOC.
> 
> I suppose when we hear more details, including what will be examined,
> the way to proceed will become clearer.
> 
> Brian Pearce
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au>
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Ana Tuckerman
> Sent: Monday, 4 August 2008 5:25 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
> 
> Yahh,
> I can see, i know, i can prepare.
> 
> First, we have to start calling it "VCE VET Interactive Digital Media"
> NOT Cert 3 in media.
> Next, why bother with cert 2?
> Third, if copywrite is an elective, do we have to teach it for the
> 
> 
> year
> 
> 
> 12 exam?
> Fourth, for those who want it, there is 3D (i have to say I'm not
> 
> 
> going
> 
> 
> to do it though, its not in the year 12 course).
> Fifth, we now have Video in year 12, AHHHHHHHHH
> Sixth, I'm assuming that they want us to teach Web, in Author
> interactive sequences.
> Seven, NO SCRIPTING!
> 
> 
> 
>> From my perspective, I am just going to use Unit 1 & 2 to teach all
> 
> 
> the
> 
> 
> software and concepts that they need in Unit 3 & 4 and just adapt the
> units to fit.
> 
> For example i might use "Produce drawings to represent and communicate
> the concept" to do a comic with storyboard, using flash with buttons
> 
> 
> and
> 
> 
> a little animation (to prepare for 2d animation)
> 
> "Maintain interactive content" would be an introduction to "Author
> interactive sequences"
> 
> And the Compulsory units, you could do anything. Just work in the
> requirements with any kind of practical task.
> 
> I'm OK with it all. It looks VERY flexible.
> 
> :) Ana
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ana Tuckerman
> Multimedia and Media Department
> ELTHAM College of Education
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au> on
> behalf of claire
> Sent: Mon 8/4/2008 4:50 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: [vet-mm] VCE VET IDM - see attached!!
> 
> 
> The revised VCE VET Interactive Digital Media (IDM)  program has now
> successfully progressed though all the required internal committees
> 
> 
> and
> 
> 
> processes at the VCAA.
> Attached is a PDF extract from the soon to be published VCE VET IDM
> program booklet. This extract has "gone live" on the VCAA website
> 
> 
> today.
> 
> 
> VCAA have made available an extract for both the revised Business and
> Multimedia programs because they were fielding a large number of calls
> and
> emails about the programs for next year.
> 
> The complete hard copy of the program booklet will be distributed to
> schools early in Term IV.
> 
> Let the discussions begin!!
> 
> Claire Bloom
> Warrandyte High
> 
> 
> 
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