[Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2

Fri Nov 16 23:23:25 EST 2007

Hi Mark,

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Kelly" <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au>
To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List" 
<sofdev at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2

> Close enough...
>
> http://www.mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au/vceit/postmortems/2007ita/index.htm
>
> Kevin Feely wrote:
>> Hi
>> Thanks - i concede - oh and BTW could anyone post, fax, scan-email me a 
>> copy of the Applications exam?
>> kev
>>
>>
>> Selina Dennis wrote:
>>> I have to disagree with WikiPedia. While I can see the concept of
>>> "implementation" could contain all of the development, testing and
>>> deployment, and hence mean "implementation of the entire design", in 
>>> most
>>> software development projects/life cycles, the implementation process 
>>> occurs
>>> after testing - hence, is synonymous with deployment. However, I do 
>>> concede
>>> the point that the question was slightly ambiguous, and some students 
>>> could
>>> have read coding as 'implementation'.
>>>
>>> If you go by the SoftDev study design, the SDLC is ADDTDIE. Hence, 
>>> students
>>> would need to separate implementation from development and place it in a
>>> position that relates to 'deployment'. As "coding" isn't part of the
>>> acronym, students would be incorrect in selecting C as the "best" 
>>> answer.
>>> That's not to say it's not a valid answer, but it's not the best 
>>> according
>>> to the glossary they are (unfortunately) meant to know by rote.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Selina Dennis
>>> Strathmore Secondary College
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Feely
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 1:32 PM
>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2
>>>
>>> Hi Selina,
>>>
>>> Implementation (or coding) </wiki/Implementation>     Reducing a design 
>>> to code may be the most obvious part of the
>>>     software engineering job, but it is not necessarily the largest
>>>     portion.
>>> taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_development_process
>>> regards
>>> kev
>>>
>>> Selina Dennis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Implementing is releasing completed code for use - ie: deployment. 
>>>> Coding
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> development.
>>>>
>>>> Selina Dennis
>>>> Strathmore Secondary College
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au
>>>>
>>> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>
>>>> On Behalf Of Kevin Feely
>>>> Sent: Friday, 16 November 2007 9:38 AM
>>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] SD Exam - Question C1c and AQ2
>>>>
>>>> Hi mark
>>>> Yep, happy with that, but during the year have let my kids "define" the 
>>>> system so they  decide what is inside and outside, but generally i have 
>>>> set rules that what belongs inside must be "processors" - they have a 
>>>> role to play in taking input and doing something with it. A secretary 
>>>> "files" reports or the workshop manager "calculates" hours worked etc. 
>>>> Rodneys Real Estate - a question on DFD's in a reference book is a 
>>>> classic where you can get quite a few different results - but all 
>>>> justifiably correct.
>>>>
>>>> Also i have a query on AQ2 program development life cycle - i assume B 
>>>> is correct, while D and A can quickly be eliminated - no operating or 
>>>> solving in key cycle terms. BUT i also regard coding and implementing 
>>>> as interchangeable terms ( a view backed up with a quick google) so 
>>>> then C also fits.
>>>> It would be hard to argue it is WRONG I think
>>>>
>>>> kev
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Kelly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been independently informed by a reliable source that:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'They provide data to the 'system' rather then process the data so 
>>>>> they would be considered entities rather the part of the system.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, bounce on my ballpoint and call me Renaldo.  I've never heard of 
>>>>> that condition before.  DFDs seem to be an ever-deepening well of 
>>>>> intrigue!
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how many students will get that one right. Bother! I must 
>>>>> have missed a memo somewhere...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, <Mystery advisor>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>>
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