[Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz, 7-10 IT and Has VELS got it WRONG?

Thu Jun 23 16:32:38 EST 2005

Thank you Phil and those that sent private emails of support and suggestions

I agree with you wholeheartedly, and feel as though I have so much to contribute, but my hands are always tied behind my back.

I will set up as much as I can over the holidays and see what happens next term. I would really like to change the whole look and feel of it so that it "belongs" to Bentleigh SC, maybe down the line though.

Cheers to all
Ros Meadows
TONS
Bentleigh SC
meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.edu.au 
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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Philip Brown
Sent: Thu 23/06/2005 3:01 PM
To: ipm at edulists.com.au
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz, 7-10 IT and Has VELS got it WRONG?

Yikes! I feel your pain.

To me, the simple fact of the matter is that technology (and that may include technicians) must not drive educational outcomes. It is educational outcomes that must drive technology. 

Who better to make educational decisions about how a learning management system is structured and administered than a teacher. Technicians (and I do have a very good relationship with ours) are not equipped to make educational decisions about how educational tools are used. I understand security issues, we all do, but even these must be balanced against our outcomes.

If you are the only person interested in developing Moodle then I suggest you strongly lobby to get admin access. You will need this to mentor other teachers you will introduce into it. You will also need it check logs of usage, correct forgotten passwords, and tweak a myriad of other settings. Give me a call at school if I can help.

Phil Brown
Oxley College
9727 9917

>>> Meadows.Roslyn.M at edumail.vic.gov.au 23/6/2005 1:49:46 pm >>>

Phil, I am the only person in the school at the moment who shows any interest in Moodle, the only person who has set up any courses, and when I can't change something because I don't have admin access I have to go to see the library tech who is the admin of the intranet (and therefore moodle). As I said I did not even have the ability to add courses until on Tuesday I begged to have that privelege (the minor tantrum helped too!!! lol)

So all I can do at the moment is set up courses and add resources and activites to them, change my profile, and post to forums. I have the same 'priveleges' as any other teacher at the school.

I would dearly LOVE to spend some time working on the overall presentation of Moodle in the holidays (I am sure you can change the overall look/theme of the thing - make it school colours/school logo etc) - but there you have it - that is how it works here. I have mentioned to the current moodle administrator that perhaps it would be a time saving for me and him if I was to have admin access but he said no. 

As an IT teacher (and the IT coordinator for 3 years until this year - now we have no IT coordinator because of a shortage of time allowances in the school) I have never had any priveleges as far as the network or the intranet or internet site is concerned. But I am over being angry about this now, I just teach my classes to the best of my ability and go on my merry way. I would not have even worried about Moodle except that I can see what a wonderful learning tool it can be and I want to use it for my own classes.

Oh well perhaps I will mow my lawns in the holidays instead!!!

Cheers
Ros Meadows
TONS (Teacher Of No Significance)
Bentleigh SC
9579 1044
meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au

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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Philip Brown
Sent: Thu 23/06/2005 11:45 AM
To: ipm at edulists.com.au
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz, 7-10 IT and Has VELS got it WRONG?

Hi Ros,

I'm a bit perplexed. Are you the driver of Moodle and don't have admin access? 

Phil Brown
Oxley College
9727 9917

>>> Meadows.Roslyn.M at edumail.vic.gov.au 22/6/2005 10:35:22 pm >>>

Hello all

After reading about some of
your forays into Kahootz I decided to check it out tonight - there are tutorials
and examples on the website www kahootz.com.au.(teacher resources link)
  (Sorry Greg) I think I will give it a go with my new year 8's next
semester (only 2.5 weeks away!)

Meanwhile I have finally got Moodle to work
- I had to beg our intranet administrator (a library
technician) to allow me to create my own courses - before yesterday all I could
do was edit my profile and post to a forum!!  I have created courses for
each subject I teach, also for each year level and the House system, and have
uploaded lots of resources etc. As Big Kev would say "I'm excited" ! I can't
wait for a few others to catch on.

A BIG worry if Info Tech is integrated and
not a stand alone subject - we have to email our reports to the edumail address
of the person who prints them out and late last week another staff member was
telling me she was overjoyed that she had finished her reports the night before,
but still hadn't emailed them because she had problems logging onto edumail when
she got to school that morning. I asked her why hadn't she emailed them from
home using her private ISP and she said "but they have to be sent to edumail so
I can only do that from school can't I?" And to think these people might be
teaching IT as part of their SOSE or English allotment in the near future!!!! To
me this is totally scary. And I believe that these non IT  teachers would
find it scary too - and certainly not approach the teaching of ICT with anywhere
near the enthusiasm of  the IT teachers who live, breath and eat  their
subject for dinner!

I find it totally unbelievable,
that  considering ICT is an  area that is expanding exponentially, that
VELS does not make ICT at least as important as either English or Maths. Even we
as a group are constantly having to update our knowledge -  how many  of
us had even heard of blogs, wikis, moodle etc say two years ago? Surely to be
adequately prepared for the future our students need a more extensive grounding
in ICT. Australian companies are subcontracting programming to Indian companies
because of a shortage of skills and the rate of pay here, and the Indian
companies are subsubcontracting the same work out to Chinese companies. And the
reason these countries can do this programming? - because they began massive ICT
education campaigns  when they realised that it was the way of the future
and  one way to improve their economies. So more Aussie dollars go offshore.
We will be left in the wilderness if our students are not given these
skills.

Enough griping!

Have a wonderful wonderful holiday
everyone, thank you for all your emails - one of my favourite (relaxing) parts
of the day is getting home and reading through everything that comes to me via
the edulists.

Cheers

Ros Meadows

TONS

Bentleigh SC

9579 1044

meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au <mailto: meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au> 

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ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au <mailto: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au> 
on behalf of Marshall, Graham F
Wed 22/06/2005 7:23
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Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
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RE: [Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz and
7-10 IT

Greg,

Used your training material before and it
was fantastic. Any help with Kahootz will be great.

My year 8/9/10 are enjoying the
program.

Regards,

Graham Marshall - Bayswater
SC

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Wed 6/22/2005 12:15 PM
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[Year 12 IPM] Re: OT Kahootz and 7-10
IT

<< ?fontfamily>><< ?param Arial>> Hello everyoneFurther the discussion
a couple of weeks ago about the structure of IT in the 7-10 curriculum. I' m
wondering what schools are doing with Kahootz. It seems to me to be a program
that lends itself to being taught in a stand alone IT class then used by other
KLAs once students know how to use it properly. I can' t see KLAs at my school
providing much class time for the learning of Kahootz. I' ve just started
teaching Kahootz to a year 8 IT class and I am hoping at the end of the unit one
of the other teachers of the class will set a project using Kahootz. <http:// Kahootz.>  I must
confess to also having a personal interest in Kahootz. I' ve developed a teaching
unit for it and I am trying to decide whether it is worth the time and effort to
send a flyer to schools (not much use if not many schools have started to use
it). So any feedback on your opinions of Kahootz and its use would be helpful
(e-mail me off the list if you prefer). If you would like to have a look at some
sample pages of the Kahootz unit they can be viewed at<< ?color>><< ?param
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