[vet-mm] industry experience

Thu Nov 16 10:14:52 EST 2006

Hey Listers,

a bit off the topic.....

I have been wondering exactly what constitutes industry experience? any one 
know if there are nominal hours or regular re-training involved?

i want to go back and do more mm study as my qualifications are now 7 years 
out of date.

should my school pay or give me time release?

regerds
katie

>From: "Allman, John J" <allman.john.j at edumail.vic.gov.au>
>Reply-To: "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List"  <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
>To: "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List" <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
>Subject: RE: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
>Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:10:45 +1100
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>Maybe it's the inconsistency of the exam that causes the problem, seems 
>that=
>  the emphasis on scripting goes up and down, and teachers get a little 
>bewil=
>dered as to what will be expected.
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>It is interesting to note that to teach Vet you should have relevant 
>industr=
>y experience. AQTF Standard 7.4
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>________________________________
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>From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]=
>  On Behalf Of Daylan
>Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 9:40 AM
>To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
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>
>Wow,
>
>Brutal ! Thanks for your comments Mario, first of all i'd just like to 
>point=
>  out a couple of things. What i have written about in my posts is purely 
>my=
>  opinion, as mentioned in my first post about this subject, i am leaving 
>Imp=
>act and just thought i would voice my opinion on what i believe was 
>lacking=
>  in the multimedia classes at VET/VCE level. If you want to bring the 
>claws=
>  out and have a go at where i work, go ahead.
>
>You just have to look at the 15+ responses this topic has raised to know 
>tha=
>t somethings not quite right.
>
>If an exam has scripting questions, "its too hard", if there's not enough 
>sc=
>ripting "its not relevant". I don't care whether or not you take Impact 
>seri=
>ously, i think our 98% pass rate in cert 3 and constant appearance by our 
>st=
>udents work at things such as season of excellence proves that, "holy 
>crap"=
>  i guess we're doing something right huh. When schools are contacting us 
>in=
>  order to do their flash training for their students. Damm! Being "money 
>dri=
>ven" and "na=EFve" sucks huh.
>
>Everyone else though, please don't get me wrong. I don't know if teachers 
>ha=
>ve the same conversations/emails about Maths and English and P.E and 
>whateve=
>r else, but if people cant agree on what is meant to be taught then there 
>is=
>  a problem.
>
>Im just stating that i think if your going to show students this subject, 
>it=
>s important to be showing them stuff that is relevant to the actual 
>subject,=
>  which is both design and programing, as well, of course as meeting the 
>comp=
>etencies set by "the powers that be". I personally prefer doing the design 
>a=
>spect of this stuff. Its a lot more fun and creative, but like i said 
>previo=
>usly, this stuff changes faster than anyone can learn it, and staying in 
>the=
>  comfort zone of teaching the easy stuff will not help students in the 
>futur=
>e who obviously have an interest in this industry.
>
>But I'm not an art teacher, so what the hell do i know about 
>multimedia.(No=
>  offense to art teachers of course, I loved art in high school)
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>On 16/11/2006, at 1:44 AM, Mario Yannakakis wrote:
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>	We have tried for so many years to get an understanding of what it is 
>that=
>
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>	we as teachers/trainers for VET in schools are suppose to teach that it
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>	really annoys me and it really makes me wonder whether I really want to
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>	teach in the future!!!
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>	Please forget about impact creativity because they are just business 
>minded=
>
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>	people. Ofcoarse they will support scripting because they want their
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>	graduates to come and work within a production based programming role for
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>	their clients and they, just like every other business will give their
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>	employees next to nothing for an entry level role.
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>
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>	This is just my opinion!
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>
>
>	Mario Yannakakis
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>	-----Original Message-----
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>	From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au 
>[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au=
>]
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>	On Behalf Of peterfowler at optusnet.com.au
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>	Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 5:07 PM
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>	To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
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>	Subject: Re: [vet-mm] 2006 exam
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>	You are dead right Susan,
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>	The exam is supposed to test of the whole course at year 12, its not
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>	intended to focus on individual competencies.
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>	The students greater understanding of programming is assessed as part of 
>a=
>
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>	scored SAC.
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>	In most cases the MM job market will not be interested in students with a
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>	Cert III qualification.
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>	Part of our role is to provide student with a broad understanding of the 
>MM=
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>	industry, they usually specialize when they hit University.
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>	So lets put our personal bias on hold and lets try to get a better 
>balance=
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>	in the exam next time around.
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>	Yours Sincerely
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>	Peter Fowler
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>	Swinburne Senior Secondary College
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>	Susan Bell <Susan.Bell at wesleycollege.net> wrote:
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>	I think the issue here was about programming in the exam - not whether
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>	you need programming when students venture into the job market. No one
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>	is denying that programming is important - but the exam was biased
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>	towards scripting which is simply not fair in a year 12 exam.
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>	Sue
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>				daylan at impactcreativity.com.au 11/15/06 04:28pm >>>
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>	Hi all,
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>	I've been training Cert 2, 3 and diploma level multimedia for
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>
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>	the past 3 years and working in the industry (clients etc) for 4 years.
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>	This is my final year of training students however as i will be
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>	venturing of into that big, murderous multimedia world to work for MYOB
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>
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>	but i thought i might add my 2 cents too.
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>	I felt that there wasn't enough emphasis on programming in the exam
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>	or
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>	in the course in general. I personally tried to train my students in a
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>
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>	way that would give them actual skills that are relevant for industry,
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>	as well of course, as meeting competencies. And while i agree design is
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>	important, i fell that its only about 20% of most jobs.
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>	You just need to look at it.seek.com etc to see that 98% of jobs in the
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>	industry require more than awesome photoshop and design skills. In fact
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>	i'd say 80% don't even care if you are good at design, they want you to
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>	be a programmer.
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>	Its extremely hard in the industry to find a job that is purely design
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>	and even if you do they are usually the lowest paying jobs.
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>	Design is the fun stuff and it's a lot easier to keep students
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>	attention with fun things, but as far as vocational training goes, i
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>	feel programming is a much more important skill for students to walk
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>	away with.
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