[Year 12 SofDev] Drop in IT Appliced Computing numbers

Thu Nov 18 01:21:11 UTC 2021

Hi Kevork,

We stopped running Data Analytics in 2017 due to a lack of student
interest. Now our Software Dev classes are dwindling - kept afloat only by
allowing top Year 11s access to the 3/4 subject. A lot of negative feedback
from Software Development students identifies the limited amount of actual
coding in relation to the amount of project management required. The
addition of the Development Model has teachers and students scratching
their heads given the limited time frame we have for the SAT. I'm hoping to
get the HESS subject up and running in 2023. We have found surveying our
best coding students, that Algorithmics is the kind of subject they want to
do. Despite trying to 'sex-up' Data Analytics with an eCommerce context
(eCommerce has become a very popular Year 10 subject) most are not
interested in doing Data Analytics in 3/4 and we can not fill a class.

I would love to hear from schools who have a strong Data Analytics course
each year and how they retain students in that subject.

Kind regards,
Vic

*Victoria FarrellHead of Technology Department *

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On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 12:03, Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au> wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
>   Sorry for the cross post . Please ignore if you have seen this already
> in the Data Analytics forum.
> I thought the story below might be of interest to our SofDev subscribers.
>
> Happy to discuss these options and pathways further for anyone interested.
>
> Kind Regards
> Kevork
>
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> *From:* Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 November 2021 5:45 PM
> *To:* Edulist 12DA <informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
>
> Hi Folks
>
>    Shrinking VCE Applied Computing numbers is a sad reality for most
> schools.
>
> Compare that with our mid 1990s heyday when VCE Processing and Management
> was the third highest enrolment of any VCE study ( happy to be corrected if
> I am not 100% correct here ).
> Much effort has been expended in the last decade trying to revive our
> studies but sadly we haven't found a cure yet.
>
> At VCE Unit 3-4 we offer Data Analytics, Software Development, HESS
> Algorithmics, VET IT Certificate II, VET IT Certificate III , VET Cisco.
> VET Cisco counts as *two *Unit 3-4 credits ( one per year ) and
> Algorithmics can fast track students in tertiary IT and Computer Science
> courses.
> Quite the feast for the IT lover, spoilt for choice, yet we are
> undoubtedly shrinking overall.
> I have taught five out of six and been an examiner on the sixth. Very
> rewarding.
>
> Is there any other field that offers six options at VCE Units 3-4 or VCAL ?
>
> At Ringwood Training we have managed to help students who would otherwise
> miss out in their home school through the provision of three VET in Schools
> courses:
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>  1. VET Certificate III in IT ( Networking and Cybersecurity ) - can be a
> scored or a non-scored study
>  2. VET Certificate III in IT ( Multimedia and Gaming)  - can be a scored
> or a non-scored study
>  3. VET Cisco CCNA ( Cisco Certified Network Associate )  - only
> non-scored with a 10% ATAR bonus contribution per year of Cisco.
>
> We tend to have up to 120 students from almost 50 schools in these courses
> across two year levels of VCE/VET/VCAL.
> Without this aggregation I don't know that any one school would find these
> courses viable sad to say.
>
> Students continue beyond Yr 12 to post school pathways (see attached )
> which we often combine with employment usually on a part time basis with
> our industry contacts.
>
> I haven't solved your local problems Litsa and Xin, however if the
> alternative is these students miss out totally,
> getting them to a different location will be the smaller of two evils.
>
> Kindest Regards
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
> IT Pathways Manager
> Ringwood Training
> Tel 0419 356 034
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> *From:* Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 17 November 2021 5:19 PM
> *To:* Edulist 12DA <informatics at edulists.com.au>
> *Cc:* Kevork Krozian <kkrozian at rt.vic.edu.au>
> *Subject:* Re: [Informatics] informatics Digest, Vol 70, Issue 7
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> G’day Litsa, i am curious if any institutions are running a distance
> education version of VET IT. Just curious.
>
> Kevork does this with a team at Ringwood SC. I have met some of his
> students and they do some great work.
>
> For others following this thread, check out in the other email that I
> shared what we do at VSV to support teaching AC, DA and SD for VCE
> students.
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> Regards Roland
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> On 17 Nov 2021, at 2:15 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
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> Oh wow - we have had this in the past but cancelled the VET IT course -
> although I think it may suit some of our students who may not wanted to
> take on the VCE courses.
>
> We have a class of 4 and 7 next year (11 & 12 respectively).
>
> Thank-you for your reply,
> Litsa :-)
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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chen, Xin <xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au>
> wrote:
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> Hi Litsa,
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> Yes, this is happening. My school is even worse—Applied Computing is
> replaced by VET IT from Y10 to Y12 now. Such a shame!
>
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Xin
>
> Xin Chen
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> Head of Digital Technologies
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> xchen at mazenod.vic.edu.au
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> Hello 🌻
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> I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
> Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
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> We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
> this year.
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> Just checking - thank-you,
> I hope all is well 🍄
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> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:39:11 +1100
> From: Roland Gesthuizen <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
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> Final enrolment numbers in AC, DA or SD can vary widely from school to
> school across different years. It’s complex for a range of reasons. Many
> years ago I discovered that it mattered how computing was promoted in our
> school (7-10), how it was perceived by parents even in the junior year
> levels (events like Grok challenges or computing clubs) and even, what it
> was blocked against in the VCE timetable.
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> > On 17 Nov 2021, at 1:08 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <htzelepis at msj.vic.edu.au>
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> > I'm just wondering if schools are seeing a drop in Applied Computing and
> Data Analytics numbers for 2022?
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> > We still have 1 class per year level, but they are slightly smaller than
> this year.
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> > Just checking - thank-you,
> > I hope all is well 🍄
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