[Year 12 SofDev] Student query

Fri Feb 17 12:54:06 AEDT 2017

I was under the understanding that students could use more than one software type for the sac as long as the teacher can assess it.

From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Fatima Nazar
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2017 10:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query

According to my understanding, the SACs have to be the same language for all students so perhaps stick with Visual Basic? and then SAT work could be done in C++.  A concern for me would be that there won't be much programming practice provision for him in school since we won't be doing C++

Thank you all for your advice and input.
Regards

Carpe Diem :)

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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Robert Hind
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query

I have never taught Software Development. However I would think that using different languages in a SAC would be fine, so long as they were approved languages.

Sure the same task under the same conditions but using any one of the approved languages.

Robert Hind
Ex Traralgon and Ashwood
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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Darren Scott
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2017 9:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query
I've got the same understanding as Geoff. SACs must be under the exact same conditions for all students in the cohort to enforce fairness and equity (aside from the special conditions that your VCE coordinator applies for, like rest breaks, printing on a different colour page, etc.).

For the SAT there's more room of choice, a bit like the design & tech kids who can choose to work in metal, plastic and/or wood.

Also pointing out dot point 3 in the SAT authentication procedures:

3. Undue assistance should not occur at any time during the development of the body of work, and
teachers need to be vigilant. Students are required to demonstrate development of their thinking
and working practices. Teachers are reminded that it is not appropriate to provide 'detailed advice
on, corrections to, or actual reworking of students' work'.

If you feel like you can't authenticate a C++ program you can say no, but if your concern is that you won't be able to help with every little piece of code, well you're not actually allowed to do that anyway.

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From: sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au> [mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Matheson, Geoff J
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query

Fatima,

At the risk of getting in before the people with titles to back them up - I'm pretty sure this is the go:

Approving a students' proposal for the SAT is at the teachers' discretion, and as such probably comes down to whether you are confident you can understand the C++ code well enough to assess his work, and whether his skills in the language are going to be sufficient to meet the criteria without the support & resources that would come with doing the same as the rest of the class.

But while there's nothing stopping a student using a different language on the SAT, I'm pretty sure the student should be doing the SAC work in the same language. But I'm less confident of that one.

Geoff Matheson
Teaching and Learning Coach - Digital Learning
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From: <sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev-bounces at edulists.com.au>> on behalf of Fatima Nazar <fnazar at salesian.vic.edu.au<mailto:fnazar at salesian.vic.edu.au>>
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Date: Friday, 17 February 2017 at 8:44 am
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev at edulists.com.au<mailto:sofdev at edulists.com.au>>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Student query

Good morning and happy Friday to all!
I have a student in my SD class who wants to do all his SAC/SAT work in C++. Our school however is using Visual Basic.  Is it okay for him to use C++?

Regards

Carpe Diem :)

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