[Offtopic] RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Pay Deal

[Kevork Krozian]

Hi Folks,

 Moving this to the offtopic list offtopic at edulists.com.au . You can join at www.edulists.com.au if not a subscriber already.
See you there.

Regards

Kevork

>>> "Tony Beggs" <TBeggs at stpats.vic.edu.au> 21/05/2008 7:30 pm >>>
Dear Reader
I know I shouldn't interfere but I can sense the frustration growing by many trusty users of this mailing list and all my friends in the public sector - which I was a part of for a dozen years.
 
Twice the general secretary of the state union has produced a result which suggests collusion with the state government - or incompetence in basic arithmetic
 

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	She needs to be replaced - she should resign if she senses that she does not represent the body of the union
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	The agreement on the table needs to be opposed by the rank and file teacher
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	The argument needs to move from wage rates (as the government sees it - to a public sector body - (that means the government sees us as a mass of employees, not professional educators improving the efficiency, outcome and lifestyle of the labour force and students in this country) to the value of education in this country
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	The argument needs to recognise the value of education that overseas governments have given in the last decade and the success of those countries and economies due to those specific governments' decisions

Look I will post this to the other bulletin board but we can't ignore the feeling behind the last couple of weeks which this user list has exposed. Like it or lump it this ITApps email list has been annoying but also it has been a life blood for passionate educationalists. Sometimes we need to break the rules to get a message across.

Tony Beggs

St Patrick's College Ballarat


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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Brian Lennon
Sent: Wed 21/05/2008 6:08 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Pay Deal


Yes Allen

We had an AEU rep out to our school to talk about the agreement. She told us that the AEU accepted the Brumby government's figure of 3% inflation this year (a few days before her visit the Reserve Bank had published its figure of 4.5%)  and 2% the next few years - (the Reserve has said that it expects inflation for the next to at least to be above 3%). Why a union negotiator would accept the employer's figures over the official Reserve Bank rates is totally incomprehensible to me. IF they are fair dinkum in representing us, that is.

I've set up a discussion board for Victorian Teachers at http://victorianteachersforum.mybb3.org/ <https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=https://www.edumail.vic.gov.au/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://victorianteachersforum.mybb3.org/>  . I think we all need to talk about this in a non-fragmented way. Feel free to register there, post your comments, and please pass this info on to other teachers in other schools who might be interested in reading and/or joining a discussion. If someone in any particular school emails it to DL yourschool  it should go to everyone in their own school. This email needs to be passed on quickly to get enough coverage of Victorian teachers to form a serious debate about what to do with this proposed 2008 agreement.

Brian Lennon

Allan Barnes wrote: 

	Yes, given that inflation is currently running at 4.1%, it doesn't even keep pace with the CPI. And it was the best deal that the AEU could get!!

	 

	 


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