[Year 12 IT Apps] Teaching year 11 IT and IT applications

Thu Nov 15 15:47:21 EST 2012

I agree Kevork,

Three years ago curriculum committee suggested 1/2/3/4 combined IT, I successfully argued for alternating ITA and SD instead. So far no regrets. This gives us enough numbers to run a VCE class and students can still study IT in both year 11 and 12.

Heath Matheson
Mount Beauty Secondary College

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012 1:38 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Teaching year 11 IT and IT applications

Hi Folks,

  Why not combine the classes and run the Yr 12 version only ?
I did that with 11 Yr 12s and 7 Yr 11s this year to run Software Development.
  I ran VET IT Yr 11 and 12 in the same class for many years but it was never fair on anyone. At best students get half a teacher.

 Speak soon
Kevork

>>From myexperience it depends entirely on the students involved! I have
> done this twice in my teaching history. Once it worked well, I had two 
> kids that wanted to do Year 11 IT and they were self directed learners 
> who didn't need any additional assistance or motivation. I have also 
> had combined classes of Year 11 and Year 12 that were a lot of work 
> due to students that couldn't direct their own learning.
>
> I think that the needs of the students and skills of the teacher need 
> to be taken into consideration. It can be a great opportunity for a 
> student to do a subject that ordinarily doesn't run, or it can, as 
> Geoff puts it trivialise the subject.
>
> Regards
>
> Margaret Lawson
>
>> Frankly, I find the notion of teaching yr11 and yr12 subjects in 1 
>> class absurd and it trivialises the subjects.
>>
>> Can only come from the bean counters.
>>
>> Geoff
>> McGuire College
>>
>>
>> On 15/11/12 9:06 AM, "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a thought that I may need to 'flip' some of the things I am 
>> doing with some scaffolding to time-shift talks to both groups. Easy 
>> to say, tricker to do.
>>
>> Have had a lot of luck this year breaking students into small groups 
>> and giving each team a googledoc to work with for chapter summaries 
>> and homework questions.
>>
>> Regards Roland
>>
>> Roland Gesthuizen | eLearning Leader
>> Keysborough College DEECD
>> http://about.me/rgesthuizen
>>
>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can 
>> change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." 
>> --Margaret Mead
>>
>> On 15/11/2012, at 8:23 AM, "Savage, John L"
>> <savage.john.l at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>>
>> Likewise - numbers are way down next year. What strategies will you use?
>> I've taught differentiated classes, but never two different courses 
>> in the same room.
>>
>> Laurie Savage
>>
>> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
>> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland 
>> Gesthuizen
>> Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012 5:36 PM
>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Teaching year 11 IT and IT 
>> applications
>>
>> Thanks everybody for sharing this feedback. I have heard that I may 
>> need to run a composite 11 and 12 IT class next year. Going to be 
>> interesting.
>>
>> Regards Roland
>>
>> Roland Gesthuizen | eLearning Leader
>> Keysborough College DEECD
>> http://about.me/rgesthuizen
>>
>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can 
>> change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." 
>> --Margaret Mead
>>
>> On 13/11/2012, at 1:59 PM, Rob Minato <rminato at ccw.vic.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's hard work. I have done it a few times as numbers are always such 
>> that it would not run as a stand alone subjects. I get a one period 
>> time allowance (72 min).
>>
>> I've got everything online so kids can work at their own pace with me 
>> just doing my bit as and when needed.
>>
>> Vera, email me offline if you want more info.
>>
>> We are not running at all next year as school has introduced a new 
>> subject (VET creative media) that has taken numbers away from IT, but 
>> VET attracts lots of finding.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> Robert Minato
>> Teacher
>> Arts and Technology Domain
>> Catholic College Wodonga
>> 1 Bowman Crt
>> Wodonga Vic 3690
>> 0260435546
>> rminato at ccw.vic.edu.au
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>> On 13/11/2012, at 10:22 AM, Vera Cook wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I was wondering has anyone had to teach 11 iT and 12 Applications in 
>> the same class and if so please give me some ideas.
>>
>> Thankyou Vera
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