[Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...

Tue Nov 15 11:28:35 EST 2011

I agree with Mark Scott. The question nowhere stipulates it is a database
question or a spreadsheet question.

A or B are both acceptable answers, depending on whether you answered for a
spreadsheet or a database.

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Mark KELLY
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:50 AM
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Hi all.  I've done a first stab at a post mortem of section A at
http://www.vceit.com/postmortems/2011ita/ita2011.htm

As for A13, it smells like a software development question rather than ITA.
It's based on ASCII code sorting and is not really the sort of thing ITA
kids every experience.  When I first saw it, I had to check the cover of the
exam to make sure it wasn't an SD paper..

On 15 November 2011 10:32, Mark Scott <msc at luther.vic.edu.au> wrote:

I think MC Q13 is an early contender for one of Mark Kelly's SCHMACKOS
awards

Excel gives Option A but Access gives Option B

Is this a case of a dud question where everybody gets a mark?

thanks

Mark Scott

Luther College

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Joyce Tabone
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 10:17 AM

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David

I agree with Ken that question 9 would be B,

Question 13, sorting A to Z would be smallest to largest, so I would suggest
the answer would be A

Cheers

Joyce

From: Ken Tonkin [mailto:KEN.TONKIN at assumption.vic.edu.au]
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Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 9:29 AM
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David, I agree with most of your answers for the MC questions, except no.9 I
think the answer should be 9B as tactical decisions are more short term and
specific.

Ken Tonkin

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<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Howard,
David
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:31 AM
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I'm with Mark on this one. Definitely A.

Validation can ensure that I input a date of birth for example that is
reasonable, say 12/08/1981 but is it accurate, no!

Here are my multiple choice answers.

1 B

2 A

3 D

4 D

5 A

6 A

7 B

8 A

9 A - not so confident on that one

10 A

11 C 

12 C

13 B 

14 B

15 D

16 C

17 B

18 B

19 C

20 C

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Mark
Scott
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:14 AM
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Validation deals with data entry.

Options B, C and D are all testing to ensure data manipulation is
correct/accurate etc.

Only option A clearly deals with data entry (i.e. the most correct option)

thanks

Mark Scott

Luther College

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Michael
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Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:03 AM
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Dear wiser colleagues

Can someone help me with MC question 8?

An effective validation technique is evident when . all answers seem to
support the presence of an effective validation technique.

A - at first glance the answer but is reasonableness the best evidence of
validation?

B- an accurate report suggests accurate input data, doesn't it?

C- least likely but again "reasonably"? What does that mean? If data can be
sorted is it valid?

D -calculated files gives correct answers! Is this evidence of GIGO - not
garbage in, garbage out, but good in, good out?

I'm confused!

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Ben Hines
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 4:32 PM
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Yeah I just found that, thanks

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Howard,
David
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A - Scope see page 17 of the study design.

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Ben Hines
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 2:37 PM
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I cannot believe that number question. No one would normally type numbers in
as numerals, set the data type to text and then order from A -> Z.

I doubt anyone would get the answer to that unless they have accidentally
done it in the past. 

Because you have entered them as text, the sort will only look at the left
most number to order them (just like with normal ones).

Answer according to Access is B..

Question 5 in the Multiple Choice? What's the consensus on that one?

Ta

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Howard,
David
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 2:15 PM
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I don't have the paper in front of me, but after a quick chat to my
students, plain to see that they had differing opinions on the sorting of
numbers as text question in the multiple choice.

I'm not marking this year by the way.

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<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Mark
KELLY
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 1:52 PM
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I'm reading the paper now. 

Section A looks pretty free of rabies.

I have put the gun down after reading the normalisation question...  Thank
Dog sanity prevailed on that one!

Damn that ERD question - three marks and they had to draw an entire diagram
from scratch!  Grrr.

The 8 mark question appeared, as we expected.  And it was approachable.

Overall, I think I might give the dog a bone.

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