[Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...

Tue Nov 15 11:11:46 EST 2011

When you change the data type of the numbers to text in Excel, it still
gives A as the answer.

I am using Excel 2003.

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Esko Lossi

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Chairo Christian School, Drouin Campus

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On Behalf Of Mark KELLY
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:42 AM
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Try forcing the numbers to be text (put an apostophe in front of the digits)
and try it again.  Excel has to ask you what you really want to sort as text
or as thinks that "look like numbers."

On 15 November 2011 09:37, Esko Lossi <elossi at chairo.vic.edu.au> wrote:

When I do question 13 (Section A) on a spreadsheet, the answer the
spreadsheet gives is A.

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David, I agree with most of your answers for the MC questions, except no.9 I
think the answer should be 9B as tactical decisions are more short term and
specific.

Ken Tonkin

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On Behalf Of Howard, David
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:31 AM
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I'm with Mark on this one. Definitely A.

Validation can ensure that I input a date of birth for example that is
reasonable, say 12/08/1981 but is it accurate, no!

Here are my multiple choice answers.

1 B

2 A

3 D

4 D

5 A

6 A

7 B

8 A

9 A - not so confident on that one

10 A

11 C 

12 C

13 B 

14 B

15 D

16 C

17 B

18 B

19 C

20 C

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On Behalf Of Mark Scott
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:14 AM
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Validation deals with data entry.

Options B, C and D are all testing to ensure data manipulation is
correct/accurate etc.

Only option A clearly deals with data entry (i.e. the most correct option)

thanks

Mark Scott

Luther College

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On Behalf Of Michael Torsello (Mr)
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:03 AM
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Dear wiser colleagues

Can someone help me with MC question 8?

An effective validation technique is evident when . all answers seem to
support the presence of an effective validation technique.

A - at first glance the answer but is reasonableness the best evidence of
validation?

B- an accurate report suggests accurate input data, doesn't it?

C- least likely but again "reasonably"? What does that mean? If data can be
sorted is it valid?

D -calculated files gives correct answers! Is this evidence of GIGO - not
garbage in, garbage out, but good in, good out?

I'm confused!

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<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Ben Hines
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 4:32 PM
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Yeah I just found that, thanks

From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Howard,
David
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 3:39 PM
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A - Scope see page 17 of the study design.

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<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Ben Hines
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 2:37 PM
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I cannot believe that number question. No one would normally type numbers in
as numerals, set the data type to text and then order from A -> Z.

I doubt anyone would get the answer to that unless they have accidentally
done it in the past. 

Because you have entered them as text, the sort will only look at the left
most number to order them (just like with normal ones).

Answer according to Access is B..

Question 5 in the Multiple Choice? What's the consensus on that one?

Ta

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<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Howard,
David
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 2:15 PM
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I don't have the paper in front of me, but after a quick chat to my
students, plain to see that they had differing opinions on the sorting of
numbers as text question in the multiple choice.

I'm not marking this year by the way.

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<mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au%5d>  On Behalf Of Mark
KELLY
Sent: Monday, 14 November 2011 1:52 PM
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Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...

I'm reading the paper now. 

Section A looks pretty free of rabies.

I have put the gun down after reading the normalisation question...  Thank
Dog sanity prevailed on that one!

Damn that ERD question - three marks and they had to draw an entire diagram
from scratch!  Grrr.

The 8 mark question appeared, as we expected.  And it was approachable.

Overall, I think I might give the dog a bone.

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