[Year 12 IT Apps] Lists stats suggestion mate...Kent

Sat Apr 10 22:04:12 EST 2010

If anybody is curious, I did my MEd. thesis on these lists (albit the
IPM and IS lists under a decade ago but still relevant) .. happy to
share my research with anybody with too much spare time. Too large to
post here as an attachment or you can gently blow the dust off the
precious copy in the Monash Uni library.  Contact me off list.

In a nutshell? It behaves just like a real life, face to face group
with the same kind of dimensions, tensions and exchanges. The scary
part was how similar this mapped to different lists and the social
networking that was going on. Pointless doing the research again as
there is so much cross leakage of information with other tools,
networks etc. Kind of makes it now a really important case study.

Regards Roland

On 2 April 2010 11:22, Kent Beveridge <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi Kevork,
> 471 members on the lists?
> Any chance of a statistical breakdown by subject? Regular posters compared
> to Non-regular posters(active vs non-active list participation - based on
> say, number of posts per month perhaps?).(names not necessary)
> It would be an interesting exercise to see the results of such an analysis.
> How about a 'top 10' of discussion topics raised over the last 5 years?
>
> Just a few thoughts.
>
> Mate, given my use of these lists..I am prepared to 'donate' a small amount
> for my part of the list usage as it has provided me with a great
> professional link to my fellow colleagues on a variety of topics/issues.
> And, like yourself, I too am guilty of having made a small number of gaffes
> on these lists..but then, those who know me, already know I usually lead
> with my chin(not always recommended practise!)....
>
> keep up the great work and to others reading this...promote these lists and
> the information they provide!!!!!
> To those who just read the lists and rarely participate - we NEED your
> inputs too!  Surely among the 471, there are more than the small number of
> regulars who have resources and valuable info to contribute..cmon guys and
> gals..get active and talk to us!
>
> happy easter folks..
>
> Kent Beveridge (lister from way back!)
> ________________________________
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] on
> behalf of Kevork Krozian [kevork at edulists.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, 28 March 2010 9:51 PM
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> It is great advice you give Mark when a controversial email is about to be
> sent to just let it sit and gather some dust before actually posting. I know
> I have regretted certain emails I have written in the past and have tried to
> correct them to no avail. One in particular caused the accused to be further
> isolated off line by those who chose one side and continued the attack. When
> I apologised for the original post and asked the accused to come back - they
> had chosen to leave the lists upon my not so subtle advice .... - I was
> asked to take up the fight against those who had continued the attack off
> line. So messy , so unfortunate, so unnecessary. I wish I could turn back
> the clock ... but alas.
>
> On a more general point, it is of concern to me that we simply don't get
> enough of our lurkers to join in our discussions. Latest census shows 471
> itapps subscribers.  Could it be that they know it all and don't need to ask
> anything ? Or more ominously could it be that they are afraid they might be
> shot down if they make a comment ? Anecdotally, I do hear that some feel
> their work may not be up to the standard they think is on these discussions
> and hence do not join in.
>
> I am working on acquiring sponsorship to recognise contributions and
> participation on these lists (  I did think the support and professional
> satisfaction was enough but maybe not,  for many ).
> I am looking at a 1st , 2nd and 3rd placement for volume of contributions
> and support of others over a school year along the lines of a substantial
> gift for those who help others - a laptop, a powerful mobile device, etc are
> my preferences.
>
> While I work on the sponsorship front, I want to congratulate Roland,
> Adrian, Robert, Mark and others for their professional handling of this
> thread. As Roland said we couldn't see the body language when he was typing
> and as Adrian mentioned, it took a long, long time to bring together this
> Study Design that was not so visible to many and the steering committee was
> of the view every opportunity was afforded for input.  The solution to all
> our woes lies in open honest communication.
>
> Ahhh, first Sunday of our holidays , and we are here working and
> fighting for the cause. It that a form of the Stockholm/Helsinki syndrome in
> action  ??
>
> Sending this after waiting the requisite 60 mins in the Drafts folder
> following Mark's wise words.
>
> Warm Regards
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
> kevork at edulists.com.au
> www.edulists.com.au
> Tel: 0419 356 034
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roland Gesthuizen
> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study design
> Adrian and I get on well off-list so this is nothing personal. I apologize
> if I have offended anybody with a cavalier quip that I'll admit was casually
> tacked onto my post without thinking. I'll admit exhaustion and complacency,
> regretting that I ever hinted an ability to do the interim school reports.
> It has been good to see this list gain some fire and traction again.
>
> Robert does raise an interesting point that we need to be careful with what
> voice we speak with, especially from our signature tags. I don't think that
> Adrian was writing on behalf of VITTA as President and I wasn't writing on
> behalf of my school. He is quite justified to defend the study design team
> reputation. I guess for this reason, I have been adding a disclaimer to the
> bottom of my messages so that I am not giving undue authority to my words or
> posts.
>
> Regards Roland
>
> Disclaimer: The views in this e-mail are entirely my own. I'll shout a
> beverage with anybody that meets up with me next week at the national
> conference and indicates they are from the study design team. :-)
>
> On 28 March 2010 16:34, Janson, Adrian A
> <janson.adrian.a at edumail.vic.gov.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Robert and others,
>>
>> Robert - you raise a good point - my language was a little strong and for
>> that I do apologise (and also would have been better off-list).  I want to
>> categorically state that feedback and discussion is very important and I
>> (personally) want to encourage that as much as I possibly can.  Discussion
>> of the study design only furthers all of our understanding of it.
>>
>> It's just that it frustrates me when comments like this are made off the
>> cuff without the right basis.  I also think that discussion should be
>> phrased in the right way - positively - rather than negatively.  That is, 'I
>> notice that cloud computing is in the study but I am not sure what the
>> context is?  Can someone clarify this for me?'.  This would be a fair way to
>> start the discussion rather than saying that there is an omission and
>> implying that no research was done into the topic.  I think that there are
>> some dangers in taking summary documents (such as the one that Mark Kelly
>> has created) and using these are a basis for understanding of the study.
>> The study needs to be read in the context of the key knowledge and key
>> skills - Mark's summary is a great tool and should serve as a start only.
>>
>> I think I am a little sensitive to this knowing how much work has gone
>> into the study and the efforts that VCAA have gone to to involve everyone in
>> the process.  The study design is really looking exciting - I can't wait to
>> teach it!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
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