[Year 12 IT Apps] RIP Rural Rescue Flights...

Thu Oct 30 14:39:52 EST 2008

Considering the current thread about writing and posting your own SACS, it is my sad duty to inform those on the list of the passing of the RRF SAC, it served well and has been the launchpad for many to use as an outcome but, unfortunately, the time has come to retire it and to produce a new, exciting SAC1 for the 2009 year. 
Being the creator of the original version, it is due time to retire RRF and move on.
RIP RRF! 

Whats the new model? Who knows...even I dont know what I will conjure up just yet...
Stay tuned listers!

(jeez I can rabbit on sometimes....)

KB.

Kent Beveridge,
I.T. co-ordinator
St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
Horsham
email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au

|<3|\|7  b3\/3r1D93 ?  ;-)

PARTY..PARTEE,..PARTIE,...PARTAY!!
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Ros Meadows
Sent: Thu 10/30/2008 1:17 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 48

Hi Margaret,
The upside is that you may get some constructive criticism and be able to improve your SAC for the following year. I for one would love to congratulate you just for having the guts to create your own SAC, this is admirable!!! I am sure you will soon become a teacher we can all look up to if you are prepared to create your own SACs in your first year of teaching!!

Good luck

Ros m
ros.meadows at gmail.com
Bentleigh Secondary Collge

Margaret McArthur wrote: 

	Thank you for the advice.  

	I am hesitant in posting to the VITTA site as there is always that
	voice saying "is it good enough".  As a first year teacher here in
	Australia (I am a Scottish teacher) I have been learning the course as I
	am teaching it.  I do not feel confident enough to post it on such a
	credible site.  Sending it through the email systems seems less
	intimidating for me.

	In future I can just send directly to teachers to overcome this
	problem.

	Thanks again

	Margaret McArthur
	The GEELONG College

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	Message: 1
	Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:49:47 +1100
	From: "Daniel Stanley" <Daniel.Stanley at flinders.vic.edu.au> <mailto:Daniel.Stanley at flinders.vic.edu.au> 
	Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 46
	To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
		<itapps at edulists.com.au> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au> 
		<5C2BA8D6DDD9934BBF778EDEF8BE265892B3B9 at svcd03.flinders.vic.edu.au> <mailto:5C2BA8D6DDD9934BBF778EDEF8BE265892B3B9 at svcd03.flinders.vic.edu.au> 
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	Hi all
	Is one potential solution for sensitive materials to publish a note
	like
	"I have a really good sample SAC some of you might like to use. 
	Please
	email me off list if you would like a copy."
	I realise the obvious issue with this is the possibility of 100 emails
	that then land in your inbox requesting the file.
	Just a suggestion....

	Daniel
	Daniel.stanley at flinders.vic.edu.au 
	Flinders CCC

	-----Original Message-----
	From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au 
	[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
	Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 2:35 PM
	To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
	Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 46

	Hi Margaret and Maggie,

	    Thanks for raising this issue as it is one that plays on the minds
	of the teachers and may inhibit participation by some.
	The issue with exams and other attachments is that they can be sent
	directly to myself or posted on the VITTA web site which is only for
	members, most if not all are teachers as far as I am aware. My email
	is
	on the edulists site and for the record is kevork at edulists.com.au. 
	    Once again, if we are sharing resources we should always modify
	them
	out of professional duty of care, though I can hear some saying why
	spoil a good thing if it is already just like you want it. 
	    It comes down to cost/benefit of any decision or system we build
	or
	use.  I can only wish my students would join edulists, monitor
	discussions and trawl all attachments as revision for upcoming
	assessment tasks. Sadly, even with customised revision folders for
	each
	student containing several past exams I still find them left behind in
	the room or forgotten at home. 
	    We could modify the mailing lists to automatically harvest
	attachments, post them to the web site and require a password to
	download them but not all attachments are necessarily final exams or
	other assessment materials. Is it worth the effort ? 
	    I do hear what you say Margaret and as a compromise to retain open
	access,  it is just a matter of using the resources slightly
	differently
	even if they are posted as attachments.

	    Happy to continue this discussion.

	Kind Regards

	Kevork Krozian
	IT Manager , Forest Hill College
	k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au 
	http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au <http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/>  
	Mobile: 0419 356 034

				"Maggie Iaquinto" <IAQUIM at bialik.vic.edu.au> <mailto:IAQUIM at bialik.vic.edu.au>  29/10/2008 12:24 pm

	That particular concern has been with us all the years edulists have
	been running and I reckon all teachers share that concern. I post my
	exams and other assessment items to the VITTA site which needs login
	credentials to view and download. Also, Kevork has posted all such
	items, by the writer's request, to a password-protected section of his
	website.

	Maggie

	-----Original Message-----
	From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au 
	[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Margaret McArthur
	Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 12:16 PM
	To: itapps at edulists.com.au 
	Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 46

	My concern is that we can pass work through this system.  For example
	I
	sent an exam earlier in the year that could have been used by some
	schools.  Is it a good idea to have students access these attachments?

	Just a concern.  

	Margaret McArthur
	The GEELONG College

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	   2. Re: Go Girl Go for IT (Jenny Looker)

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	Message: 1
	Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:39 +1100
	From: "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen at gmail.com> <mailto:rgesthuizen at gmail.com> 
	Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Mailing lists
	To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"
		<itapps at edulists.com.au> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au> 
		<8c788a890810280600n21cedaf5t9aacfbab1d420ca8 at mail.gmail.com> <mailto:8c788a890810280600n21cedaf5t9aacfbab1d420ca8 at mail.gmail.com> 
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	I agree with the others .. keep it open. This is a public list for
	educators and soap box for some. If it isnt worth saying on the front
	page of The Age, it probably isnt worth saying. I reckon that most of
	us
	would rather be caught out asking a question from erstwhile and
	esteemed
	colleagues than not ask and play the ignorant fool.

	Regards Roland

	2008/10/28 Laurie Savage <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au> <mailto:sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au> 

		I must agree with Kevork. I would regard my students as partners in 
		learning, and if they stumble across a resource like this and can

	use
	it,

		all the better.

		Laurie

		-----Original Message-----
		From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
		itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] 
		On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
		Snip ----

		 How bad is it if a student sees a teacher asking a question ? or

	learning

		or expanding their knowledge ?

		Snip ---

		Kevork Krozian
		IT Manager , Forest Hill College
		k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au 
		http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au <http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au/>  
		Mobile: 0419 356 034

					"Robert" <robert at yinnar.com> <mailto:robert at yinnar.com>  28/10/2008 3:46 pm >>>

		Thanks Margaret,

		We do tend to overlook some things.

		We have two choices on this security issue -

		either

		we need to restrict access to the list messages to authorised list

	members

		-
		don't ask me how, I'm not a security expert.

		or

		we must be careful what we say, so that students or other

	"non-members" of

		the list cannot gain any "useful" or personal infomation that we do

	not

		want
		them to have.

		Answer?

		What do we want? And what is actually possible?

		One of the joys of the Internet, and also one of the biggest

	problems, is

		the open access of information to all of us.

		Where do these lists need to go?

		Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
		Ashwood and Traralgon
		robert at yinnar.com 

		----- Original Message -----
		From: "Margaret McArthur" <mmcarthur at geelongcollege.vic.edu.au> <mailto:mmcarthur at geelongcollege.vic.edu.au> 
		To: <itapps at edulists.com.au> <mailto:itapps at edulists.com.au> 
		Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:21 PM
		Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43

			Can I just bring to attention to the moderator that these emails

	can be

			accessed by students.  One of my students did a google search and

	was

			able to bring up an email using my name and edulist.

			How can we secure these emails?

			Margaret McArthur
			The GEELONG College

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	Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:39:13 +1100
	From: "Jenny Looker" <JLO at cgsc.vic.edu.au> <mailto:JLO at cgsc.vic.edu.au> 
	Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Go Girl Go for IT
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	I would like to add my congratulations to the organisers and the many
	volunteers at Go Girl, Go for IT held at Deakin Uni. My students had a
	great day and were impressed by the variety and calibre of the
	speakers.
	Jenny Looker

	Canterbury Girls Secondary College

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