[Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 46

Wed Oct 29 14:49:47 EST 2008

Hi all
Is one potential solution for sensitive materials to publish a note like
"I have a really good sample SAC some of you might like to use.  Please
email me off list if you would like a copy."
I realise the obvious issue with this is the possibility of 100 emails
that then land in your inbox requesting the file.
Just a suggestion....

Daniel
Daniel.stanley at flinders.vic.edu.au
Flinders CCC

-----Original Message-----
From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 2:35 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 46

Hi Margaret and Maggie,

    Thanks for raising this issue as it is one that plays on the minds
of the teachers and may inhibit participation by some.
The issue with exams and other attachments is that they can be sent
directly to myself or posted on the VITTA web site which is only for
members, most if not all are teachers as far as I am aware. My email is
on the edulists site and for the record is kevork at edulists.com.au. 
    Once again, if we are sharing resources we should always modify them
out of professional duty of care, though I can hear some saying why
spoil a good thing if it is already just like you want it. 
    It comes down to cost/benefit of any decision or system we build or
use.  I can only wish my students would join edulists, monitor
discussions and trawl all attachments as revision for upcoming
assessment tasks. Sadly, even with customised revision folders for each
student containing several past exams I still find them left behind in
the room or forgotten at home. 
    We could modify the mailing lists to automatically harvest
attachments, post them to the web site and require a password to
download them but not all attachments are necessarily final exams or
other assessment materials. Is it worth the effort ? 
    I do hear what you say Margaret and as a compromise to retain open
access,  it is just a matter of using the resources slightly differently
even if they are posted as attachments.

    Happy to continue this discussion.

Kind Regards

Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034

>>> "Maggie Iaquinto" <IAQUIM at bialik.vic.edu.au> 29/10/2008 12:24 pm >>>
That particular concern has been with us all the years edulists have
been running and I reckon all teachers share that concern. I post my
exams and other assessment items to the VITTA site which needs login
credentials to view and download. Also, Kevork has posted all such
items, by the writer's request, to a password-protected section of his
website.

Maggie

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Margaret McArthur
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October 2008 12:16 PM
To: itapps at edulists.com.au
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 46

My concern is that we can pass work through this system.  For example I
sent an exam earlier in the year that could have been used by some
schools.  Is it a good idea to have students access these attachments?

Just a concern.  

Margaret McArthur
The GEELONG College

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:00:39 +1100
From: "Roland Gesthuizen" <rgesthuizen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Mailing lists
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I agree with the others .. keep it open. This is a public list for
educators and soap box for some. If it isnt worth saying on the front
page of The Age, it probably isnt worth saying. I reckon that most of us
would rather be caught out asking a question from erstwhile and esteemed
colleagues than not ask and play the ignorant fool.

Regards Roland

2008/10/28 Laurie Savage <sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au>

> I must agree with Kevork. I would regard my students as partners in 
> learning, and if they stumble across a resource like this and can use
it,
> all the better.
>
> Laurie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:
> itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Snip ----
>
>  How bad is it if a student sees a teacher asking a question ? or
learning
> or expanding their knowledge ?
>
> Snip ---
>
>
> Kevork Krozian
> IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
> http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au
> Mobile: 0419 356 034
>
> >>> "Robert" <robert at yinnar.com> 28/10/2008 3:46 pm >>>
> Thanks Margaret,
>
> We do tend to overlook some things.
>
> We have two choices on this security issue -
>
> either
>
> we need to restrict access to the list messages to authorised list
members
> -
> don't ask me how, I'm not a security expert.
>
> or
>
> we must be careful what we say, so that students or other
"non-members" of
> the list cannot gain any "useful" or personal infomation that we do
not
> want
> them to have.
>
> Answer?
>
> What do we want? And what is actually possible?
>
> One of the joys of the Internet, and also one of the biggest
problems, is
> the open access of information to all of us.
>
> Where do these lists need to go?
>
> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)
> Ashwood and Traralgon
> robert at yinnar.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Margaret McArthur" <mmcarthur at geelongcollege.vic.edu.au>
> To: <itapps at edulists.com.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:21 PM
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Re: itapps Digest, Vol 44, Issue 43
>
>
> > Can I just bring to attention to the moderator that these emails
can be
> > accessed by students.  One of my students did a google search and
was
> > able to bring up an email using my name and edulist.
> >
> > How can we secure these emails?
> >
> > Margaret McArthur
> > The GEELONG College
> >
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:39:13 +1100
From: "Jenny Looker" <JLO at cgsc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Go Girl Go for IT
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I would like to add my congratulations to the organisers and the many
volunteers at Go Girl, Go for IT held at Deakin Uni. My students had a
great day and were impressed by the variety and calibre of the
speakers.
Jenny Looker

Canterbury Girls Secondary College

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