[Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Andrew Grimshaw
grimshaw.andrew.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
Thu May 8 12:13:35 EST 2008
Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU AgreementI am a late enrant to teaching, spent time in business before teaching. I chose teaching because I enjoy it (there's a long story there). However I think we should act to protect the integrity of our career structure.
Sorry if im starting to annoy people with this OT. I wont say anymore
andrew grimshaw
colac secondary college
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From: Russell, Steven S
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
When I started the first year out was 19000. I climbed the ladder like all others. Have been told fewer opportunities for me, as I am experienced, as most Prins look at budget before experience. Hey! First year out is equal to 1st year Docs. Not bad. Im not counting chickens until eggs in basket, but, 1000, 10000 as from 11th then 4.2. 2.7 and 2.7, lets see first. I believe from past experience, 22 years aeu member, it's a lot better than expected. I expected to really get shafted as usual. What do you think? If not happy many more opportunities out there in Private enterprise! Regards Steve from Mill Park Senior.
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrew Grimshaw
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 11:20 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
great that you are happy. Im sure everyone agrees that expert teachers deserve a pay rise.
I have to ask though, Steven, are you also happy that many teachers have been offered less than inflation?
by the way, what school are you from steven?
andrew grimshaw
colac secondary college
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From: Russell, Steven S
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Good on ya Janet. I am very happy. I have never had a 200 dollar rise before. Always thought being an expert teacher was a hindrance as to expensive. Good rise and absolutely deserved.
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Bane, Janet A
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 1:29 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Guys, Guys! we are getting a pay RISE, not pay cut. I can't believe you aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy! Yes, I am one of those "Expert" teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale", but hey, I do an extra job (computer across the curriculum) and I work long hours, (last night I left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was Open night), am available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school, just like you. Trouble is, that our school has only about 6 leading teachers in a staff of over 80, as they are seen as "too expensive". So, I think, before you criticise Expert teachers, you should acknowledge that experienced teachers are the backbone (the "grunt") of most schools, without the reward of being a leading teacher. I think most of us are quite happy with the pay rise, although as others have said, the devil will be in detail.
just my two cents worth,
Janet Bane
Patterson River SC
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Harper, Glenda J
Sent: Wed 07-May-08 8:34 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
Hi All,
Yes, Andrew. The agreement is a disgrace. I'm not too sure where Leading Teachers fit if teachers "at the top" have received the largest pay rise. Leading Teachers, who have maximum responsibility and (usually) full classroom teaching loads, have proved that they are, in fact "at the top", but are receiving only a fraction of the pay rise awarded to "Expert" teachers, some of whom have simply stuck around doing the bare minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale. Leading Teachers do not cease to be highly skilled classroom teachers just because they accept additional responsibility, work longer hours, be available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school . . . To quote one of my esteemed colleagues: "We have been royally screwed!"
Glenda Harper
Sub-School Leader - Senior Years
Carwatha College P-12
harper.glenda.j at edumail.vic.gov.au
Ph: 9795 5848
Fax: 9790 1712
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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw
Sent: Tue 6/05/2008 11:17 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
hey all
>From my reading of it I think the deal is a disgrace. It benefits those at
the top of the expert range and new gradautes but does nothing for everyone
in between, who have seen the value of their wages be eroded over the last
18 months
Again the devil will be in the detail, but in conversation with the AEU on
the telephone today it was made clear to me that teachers will not be moving
up levels to gain parity with NSW
True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers, not just new ones and
those at the top
That is, if you are a 5th year teacher in Vic, your wage should be
equivalent to a 5th year teacher in NSW.
Under my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in in Vic will
be paid about the same as a 3rd year in NSW
that is for everyone in the system and not at the top level we have gained
absolutely nothing and in fact have lost ground - both in pay and conditions
I hope I am mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath to read the
agreement
Andrew Grimshaw
Colac Secondary College
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From: <stephen at melbpc.org.au>
To: <english at edulists.com.au>
Cc: <offtopic at edulists.com.au>; <itapps at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26 PM
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid
>
> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM
> <http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html>
>
> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian teachers
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its members in more
> than 25 years.
>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian Education
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.
>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely to
> go ahead without disruption.
>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best enterprise
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the union.
>
> 11% rise for some
>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the increases announced
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this morning.
>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the first
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.
>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the deal will get
> between 8% and 11%.
>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is going to get out
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per annum,'' Ms Bluett
> said.
>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career structure in my
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.
>
> Pupil-free days to stay
>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of pupil-free days,
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.
>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be brought to the
> start of the term and become professional training days and only one will
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.
>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from
> classroom and find them new jobs.
>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each year under
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students and
> teachers.
>
> "A graduate teacher in Victoria currently earns $46,127 and under this
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the country
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will receive a
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."
>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the Government's wages
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by service
> improvement.
>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:
>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher
>
> Victoria - 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500
>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352
>
> Queensland - 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994
>
> South Australia - 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422
>
> West Australia - 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206
>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279
>
> Northern Territory: 2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849
>
>
> Graduate Entry
>
> Victoria - 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184
>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522
>
> Queensland - 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829
>
> South Australia - 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605
>
> West Australia - 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733
>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781
>
> Northern Territory: $49,944, 2008: $49,944
>
> Source: Victorian Government
> --
>
> Cheers people
> Stephen Loosley
> Victoria, Australia
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