[Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Wed May 7 10:22:30 EST 2008

The Principal has discretion in relation to a teachers worth. They can
take Tafe background into consideration as they did with me. Regards
Steve

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Clare, Ian J
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:39 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

I agree Chris

I had a career in banking and accounting, taught at TAFE and this was
not taken into consideration. 

Ian Clare

e-mail clare.ian.j at edumail.vic.gov.au

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From: Lenghaus, Christine C 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:24 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Here's another perspective - I trained as a teacher 15 years ago and
chose to work for companies o/s (teaching 5.5 years) and in Oz, local
and federal govt, have a family and have a world of experience that I
bring to the classroom.  I know how much work teaching is and am working
part-time to make sure I survive this year (sounded like a good idea..)
but one of my students who works part time at McDonald's earns more than
I do because none of the experience I gained counts for anything and I
earn graduate wages!

C

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[mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Kent Beveridge
Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:02 AM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Here's another perspective. 

Firstly, we have not yet seen the 'mechanics' of the rises... who gets
what, when, how much and over what time based on exactly what grounds.

Personally, I would have liked to do leading teacher work years ago but
when faced with not 'what', but 'who' you know and the proverbial glass
ceiling among other factors out of my control, I am now seeing my role
as being the best classroom teacher I can. I am glad that at last the
govt has agreed to increase our wage, yes I'd like more for the effort I
make, but will take what I can get!

How much flows into the non-govt sector remains to be seen!

KB.

Kent Beveridge,

I.T. co-ordinator

St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College

Horsham

email.. kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au

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From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Geoff Moss
Sent: Tue 5/6/2008 10:18 PM
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

Has anyone considered that there has been a significant win for the
government too?

With staff being required to work an extra 50 minutes a week, that is
one
teacher allotment for every 20 teachers per week.  Does this mean that
the
government can reduce the staffing numbers in each school.  So teachers
will
work a little more each week, and if total school allotments remain the
same, schools will have "excess staff ".

Is this the governments way of not having to so rapidly replace
retiring,
and more costly, staff as the baby boomers bulge goes through to
retirement.
It may also encourage some to stay to improve their super payouts and
thus
avoid the predicted shortage of teachers in the next 5-10 years.

Call me cynical, but there are significant gains for the government if
it
can reduce school staffing by 5% overall (1 in 20 teachers) to the
overall
bottom line of education funding, especially if the replacement staff
are
younger, lower paid graduates.

I have not seen any promise to maintain staffing levels in the
announcements
to date.

Could this be the reason that the government has not revealed how much
the
agreement has cost the government?
And of Bronwyn Pike's confident announcement that "any additional wages
will
be offset by service improvements . . "

Let's wait and see the fine print and bottom line before rejoicing too
much.
It may be that some hard fought gains of the past may have been lost.

The government does not give in that easily, instance the deals with
nurses
and police!

Let's hope I am all wrong.

Geoff Moss
RMIT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Barry" <barry.chris.b at edumail.vic.gov.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement

> It is probably best to wait for the official AEU statement, as there
have
> been many conflicting reports in the media.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:itapps-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of stephen at melbpc.org.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 7:27 PM
> To: english at edulists.com.au
> Cc: offtopic at edulists.com.au; itapps at edulists.com.au
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement
>
> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid
>
> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM
> <http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html>
>
> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian
teachers
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its members in
more
> than 25 years.
>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian
Education
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.
>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely
to
> go ahead without disruption.
>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best
enterprise
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the
union.
>
> 11% rise for some
>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the increases
announced
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this
morning.
>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the
first
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.
>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the deal will
get
> between 8% and 11%.
>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is going to get
out
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per annum,'' Ms
Bluett
> said.
>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career structure in
my
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.
>
> Pupil-free days to stay
>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of pupil-free days,
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.
>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be brought to
the
> start of the term and become professional training days and only one
will
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.
>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from
> classroom and find them new jobs.
>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each year
under
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students and
> teachers.
>
> "A graduate teacher in Victoria currently earns $46,127 and under this
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the country
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will receive a
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."
>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the Government's wages
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by service
> improvement.
>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:
>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher
>
> Victoria - 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500
>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352
>
> Queensland - 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994
>
> South Australia - 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422
>
> West Australia - 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206
>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279
>
> Northern Territory: 2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849
>
>
> Graduate Entry
>
> Victoria - 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184
>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522
>
> Queensland - 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829
>
> South Australia - 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605
>
> West Australia - 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733
>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781
>
> Northern Territory: $49,944, 2008: $49,944
>
> Source: Victorian Government
> --
>
> Cheers people
> Stephen Loosley
> Victoria, Australia
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