[Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage

Thu Sep 7 10:01:10 EST 2006

actually my information is that 43.7% of statistics that are made up on the 
spot, with the other  37.6% being  premeditiated creative analysis of actual 
data

andrew grimshaw
colac college

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Hunter" <HUNTTIM at mail.donvale.vic.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage

>I recall hearing someone once say that 91.3% of statistics are made up, 
>does anyone know the source of this research?
>
> Tim.
>>>> tigeroz at alphalink.com.au 09/06/06 11:25 pm >>>
> I seem to remember reading some research that stated it takes about 5
> years to bring about change in industry but 8 years to get it in 
> education.
> Anyone know the source?
>
> Charmaine Taylor
> Sunbury Downs
>
> Murray O. wrote:
>
>>Mark
>>I disagree with you.
>>Based on my experience, I think teachers are highly adaptable to change
>>be planned or unplanned. That being said I too get frustrated at trying
>>to facilitate change in schools.
>>
>>Can you tell of other professions or groups of adults that change
>>quickly?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Oliver Murray
>>Web Developer
>>Westbourne Grammar School
>>www.westbournegrammar.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>On Behalf Of Mark Scott
>>Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 10:30 AM
>>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>Teachers'MailingList
>>Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>We are talking teachers.
>>
>>This is a species renown for not changing quickly.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>On Behalf Of jturner
>>Sent: Wednesday, 6 September 2006 10:11 AM
>>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>Teachers'Mailing List
>>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>
>>The big mistake people continue to make is seeing technology as the
>>catalyst for sustainable change in education when it should be people.
>>Technology is invaluable whatever its peculiarities but learner
>>centered means people at the center.
>>John
>>
>>On 05/09/2006, at 3:41 PM, Mark Scott wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have said it before and no doubt I will say it again.
>>>
>>>The biggest advantage in introducing student owned laptops into a
>>>school
>>>is that it can be used as a catalyst for change.
>>>
>>>You can start to talk about learner centred classrooms instead of
>>>teacher centred ones.
>>>
>>>... and of course this is not the only strategy you try, just one of
>>>several.
>>>
>>>Mark Scott
>>>Luther College
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
>>>On Behalf Of Michael Walker
>>>Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 3:06 PM
>>>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
>>>Teachers'Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Computer Lab usage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Laurie Savage<sav at pvgc.vic.edu.au> 09/05/06 12:07pm >>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>And now we have a generation of people who cannot do the simplest
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>calculation in their head.
>>>
>>>Laurie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Mark Scott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>They said the same thing about calculators back in the early
>>>>
>>>>
>>>seventies.
>>>
>>>Ah generalisations, you've got to love them... 8^)
>>>
>>>I would argue that with the use of calculators, you don't need to do
>>>the
>>>simplest calculation in your head. However, it requires a different
>>>skill set to check that your calculator is giving you an accurate
>>>answer
>>>rather than no skill set at all, hence the higher emphasis on
>>>estimation
>>>that occurs in teaching maths now than when I was at school. Tempora
>>>mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis...
>>>
>>>I would also argue that those kids I know of who have trouble
>>>performing
>>>the simplest calculation aren't all that flash on using the calculator
>>>either. I would suggest that a greater cause is lack of interest for
>>>whatever reason from boring teaching methods in previous years showing
>>>the kids how irrelevant maths is to lack of support at home for doing
>>>homework and school in general. Now there's a can of worms or three...
>>>
>>>Although I don't think laptops are a cure for all ills, I suspect that
>>>under some circumstances they can be a useful tool in the hands of the
>>>right practitioner, and in others are a complete waste of time when
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>circumstances of the school and students are taken into account. To
>>>give
>>>some examples, I am sure that in some laptop schools, the laptops are
>>>an
>>>expensive pseudo notebook / electronic textbook whose primary
>>>
>>>
>>advantage
>>
>>
>>>is larger capacity, neater handwriting (typing vs scribble) and better
>>>searchability. Obviously Mark's school is not one of them based on his
>>>response. That's not to say schools with poor use of laptops don't
>>>exist, and anecdotal evidence would suggest that they do. On the other
>>>hand, the same applies to schools who have changed their teaching to
>>>make good use of new teaching methods available from every student
>>>having the tool and having been taught a proficiency with it.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, I would suspect that there would be scenarios where
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>a
>>>$2000 laptop would be a poor use of family or school resources for the
>>>perceived benefits compared to alternatives. Would a struggling
>>>
>>>
>>western
>>
>>
>>>suburbs secondary school be able to justify making every student buy a
>>>laptop, even on finance? Would alternative approaches such as good use
>>>of Moodle with external access be more appropriate in terms of bang
>>>
>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>>buck?
>>>
>>>I would suggest that neither black nor white are correct and that
>>>although there is a place for laptops in schools, it would be silly to
>>>try and suggest that it would be desirable for every school in the
>>>state
>>>and every student in the state to have a laptop and be in a laptop
>>>program. Or to suggest that every maths student in the state can't do
>>>simple calculations in their head...
>>>
>>>
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>>Head of Information Technology / VCE Coordinator
>>Presbyterian Ladies' College
>>BURWOOD Victoria 3125
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