[Year 12 IPM] ICT Progression Points

Wed Nov 8 15:56:20 EST 2006

Why have the progression points if your are just going to ignore them and go back to the standards. In maths etc the progression points help give them clarity etc to the standards.

Even if we go back to the standards there is still a lot of questions that are unanswered. Still a lot of interpreting that needs to be done. What I think is sad is that the ideas behind vels are very well founded and terrific, but because of presentation/delivery of the ICT section of it you will end up getting (and I have seen examples of this already) people just rewriting the same old same old, placing a new column to the left titled VELS and putting 4.24 in it. No development. No progression towards integration of ICT into the curriculum just re-badging of the same stuff.

I'll hop down now.

Regards

Brendyn

>>> humples at santamaria.vic.edu.au 08/11/2006 3:17 pm >>>
Re progression points:

When the progression points for ICT came out, I was quite distressed about how different they were to the standards. The points seemed to me to be very prescriptive. When I rang and spoke to a manager at the VCAA about this, his advice was to focus on the standards; that the progression points are just examples or illustrations of the types of things students might be doing at each progression point. He said that the progression points aren't prescriptive at all.

So, my understanding from that is to basically ignore the progression points, concentrate on the standards, and develop your own progression points for the particular work you are doing, and the particular software, based on the ideas given in the progression points. 

Hope this helps.

> Hi
> On the topic of ICT Progression Points it would really help if we were
> given a list of appropriate software tools same as VCE Study.
> 
> I am having difficulty working out what a dynamic modelling tool is in
> relation to Level 5- Progression 5.25 " a use of nominated dynamic
> modelling tools and manipulation and editing techniques to describe the
> relationships between ideas"
> 
> Kushum Rattan
> 
> Information Technology Co-ordinator
> 
> Gisborne Secondary College
> 
> (03) 54 283 691
> 
> PO Box 57 Gisborne, 3437
> 
> rattan.kushum.l at edumail.vic.gov.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of brn at brentwood.vic.edu.au
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:43 AM
> To: ipm at edulists.com.au
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT Progression Points
> 
> The 'English teacher' was meant to be an example only. Sorry for any
> misunderstanding.
> 
> brn at brentwood.vic.edu.au on Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:35:22 +1100 wrote:
> > Thanks for the answer Paula. But it raises another question: who
> determines if the student has demonstrated 'the ICT standards in other
> areas of learning' and at which levels? At our school, there is only
> one English teacher who could do this effectively.
> > Alda.
> >
> > "Christophersen, Paula P" 
> on Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:49:19 +1100 wrote:
> > > Hi Litsa
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good questions you ask - here is a short response. If you wish to
> > > discuss things further, please do not hesitate to give me a ring.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let's start at the beginning. Firstly, government schools do not
> have to
> > > report on ICT until next year (only English and Maths are required
> this
> > > year). I'm not certain what stance the CEO has taken on this matter
> > > regarding the phasing in of the VELS.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Secondly, it is intended, that regardless of where students acquire
> > > their ICT skills, they use their ICT knowledge and skills within
> their
> > > other areas of learning. So, even if you don't have 'dedicated IT
> > > classes', students would still be expected to demonstrate the ICT
> > > standards in other areas of learning. This means that individual
> > > teachers take responsibility to providing learning programs that
> cover
> > > not only their discipline domain but also ICT. As you suggested,
> this
> > > means integrating these ICT knowledge and skills into the other
> learning
> > > and assessment programs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The progression points assist teachers in making judgments about how
> > > their students are progressing against the standards. There are only
> a
> > > few examples of evidence that you would typically see at each of the
> > > progression points, so they are illustrative only - your school
> would
> > > need to develop their own sets of evidence to match the aspects of
> the
> > > standards that are being addressed in your learning program. Of
> course,
> > > some of the published progression points may suit your course - if
> there
> > > aren't any, they provide a good basis upon which you can develop
> your
> > > own.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Paula
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Paula Christophersen
> > >
> > > ICT Curriculum Manager
> > >
> > > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> > >
> > > Authority
> > >
> > > 41 St Andrews Place
> > >
> > > EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> > >
> > > Phone: 03 9651 4378
> > >
> > > Fax: 03 9651 4324
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > > On Behalf Of Litsa Tzelepis
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 9:15 AM
> > > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > > Teachers'Mailing List
> > > Subject: [Year 12 IPM] ICT Progression Points
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good morning Paula,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If possible, can you please help me with a query?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If we do not teach IT at Years 7 & 8, how do we report back on the
> ICT
> > > Progression Points?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do we integrate them into the other Domains that cover certain
> points?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry if this has been answered somewhere before.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank-you for your tiem, Litsa Tzelepis.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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