[Year 12 IPM] Audacity

Fri Feb 24 08:55:32 EST 2006

What's this?

Someone actually making sense.

How dare you.

: )

Mark (the other one) Scott
Luther College

-----Original Message-----
From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Rod Kendall
Sent: Friday, 24 February 2006 7:57
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] Audacity

Dear Colleagues

Can I suggest that you look at the process that we have instituted at
Overnewton. I sat down with our Technical staff and we listed criteria
that any software would need to meet to be installed on our network
(from a technical point of view). When staff want to use new software -
a criteria list is filled out by a supplier, a curriculum rationale is
put forth. If the software is deemed appropriate for curriculum usage,
the software meets our technical specifications and the faculty has a
budget to pay for the software and any annual licences, we then arrange
with a software distributor to send us a copy of the software for our
technicians to trial install. If the trial install is "Friendly" - a
recommendation to purchase is made. Should the software fail the
criteria or curriculum usage or the install - it is not purchased. 

All of our staff understand this process is to meet the needs of
curriculum and technical staff alike. It stops the audacity issue raised
in this forum.

This criteria list would be specific to each school depending on your
operating system environment and other infrastructure. 

It is well worth while doing this exercise and the process would not
have worked as well if I had just presented another schools list - hence
why I will not publish ours for this list. Working through this process
has helped both the technical staff and myself have a much better
understanding of what is required.

May I commend sitting down for an hour with your technicians and ask
them what they see as important features in software for it to be
installed on your network.

As a help, two of our Criteria are:

*	
	Designed and tested for installation with Windows XP "logo
tested".

*	
	MSI deployment compliant.

Hope this helps

Cheers

Rod

Rod Kendall

Head of Information and Communication Technologies (ICT)
Overnewton Anglican Community College
2-30 Overnewton Rd 
Keilor  VIC 3036
Direct Tel : 03 9334 0134
Mobile: 0418 138 601
Fax: 03 9336 1835

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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Keith Richardson
Sent: Thu 23/02/2006 11:09 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] Audacity

Thank you Michael - an excellent reply. I also live in "both camps" and
have felt extreme frustration when teachers expect miracles but do not
understand just how much they are actually asking. Beneath the
frustrations of both teachers and technicians lies the desire to "do a
good job" in extremely challenging circumstances. For both groups, lack
of resources, unfriendly equipment, unreasonable demands, and poor
appreciation of one another's lot leads inevitably to friction.
That is where a forum such as this is extremely useful. The size of the
flames lets us know the depth of feeling.
I love Audacity, and all of the many frustrating multi-media programs
that often make huge demands on inadequate hardware and infrastructure,
and I want my network to run seamlessly with no problems. An impossible
dream, but a worthwhile objective.
Ciao, Keith.

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:43:58 +1000, "Michael Walker"
<wk at cgsc.vic.edu.au> said:
> >>> Sam Denniston<samdenniston at iprimus.com.au> 02/22/06 07:31pm >>>
>
> >No Audacity on your network, yet I'm sure you have Internet Explorer.
No points for guessing which is the higher security risk.
>
> >A blanket 'no' to shareware and freeware - yet another case that
demonstrates the questionable priorities of school IT departments.
>
> Before I start I might add that I work full time as a school tech, as
> well as studying part time a Bach. Ed. I like to think I have a foot
in
> both camps...8^)
>
> As there appear to be few if any techies here to defend this guy, let
me
> start. Let me also suggest that I'm not questioning Audacity or it's
> curriculum credentials, I have heard lots of good things about it here
> and elsewhere.
>
> However, in relation to IT departments playing God, there was an
> interesting article I read recently (possibly as a result of a post
from
> here) where it gave an insight into IT techs. The reality of an IT
> department generally speaking, as well as specifically in education,
is
> that there are no rewards for a computer infrastructure (software,
> hardware, network) that is innovative. There are lots of punishments,
> both extrinsic and intrinsic, for an infrastructure that fails. In
> schools they don't tend to be directly financial apart from the fact
few
> schools seem to pay overtime for you to hang around until 10pm trying
to
> get the network happening again for the next day.
>
> A school is a relatively unique environment where you often have a
> significant number of unique equipment to support, in some schools
> significantly older equipment and operating systems to support, in
some
> schools a mixed MAC / PC environment, older software designed for DOS
and
> older Windows operating syatems (eg 3.1/3.11/95) that has never been
> updated and never will but is educationally desirable, and other
oddities
> and quirks.
>
> In addition there may be a technician funded by DEET for as little as
a
> morning and somebody else part or full time depending on the size of
the
> school. Looking at the jobs advertised in Education Times, they mostly
> seemed to be a smattering of SSO1s with a rare SSO2 and the odd SSO3.
> Being rather honest, for the rate of pay for an SSO1, you may well end
up
> with someone highly experienced, competant and flexible and able to
> support a wide range of equipment and software of various ages. At
least
> for a few weeks until they find a job that pays something more closely
> resembling their experience. To compare there was a full time position
> advertised recently for a local university law school where the
starting
> pay was $39000 up to $44000 a year. I didn't look in detail at the
> requirements, but they didn't seem much different to what I do here,
and
> the pay is somewhat higher than I currently get. The previous tech
here
> got a similar job at another uni so I doubt the requirements !
>  are much different.
>
> Taking the problem of low pay for computer techs compared to other
> organisations, a budget you all can make your own observations on
(there
> seems to be a quantity of small business grade equipment being used on
> school networks the size of which would be regarded as somewhat larger
> than small business in other environments, based on techtalk
technician
> postings) and a complex operating environment - something has to give
> somewhere.
>
> In this case the technician has obviously gone down the risk averse
> environment where he wishes to keep everything as standard as possible
> with any software having a fallback option, in this case commercial
> vendor support. I'm not saying Audacity has no support, but it would
be
> fair to say that a common perception is that support for open source
and
> freeware varies between non-existant and web communities who have no
> responsibility to you to get you up and running, merely a desire to
help.
> There is no phone number you can ring for help NOW when the teacher
who
> wanted the software wants to use it in class now and some feature
isn't
> working as advertised, or worst case it has appeared to have affected
> unrelated software or the OS in some way. Of course if Con wishes to
> leave his mobile phone number on this list for technical support,
maybe
> that perception might change...;)
>
> Other things technicians do to try and resolve the conflicts in the
> system that may annoy staff is to have a standard operating
environment
> locked down as much as possible, put people off mixed environments (ie
> Apple and PC), encourage them to stop using old DOS software from 1992
> and refuse to work long hours overtime for free researching whether
the
> software some staff member "installed on their computer at home in 2
> minutes with help from the kids" will cause any conflict on their
SOE...
>
> It doesn't help when staff members assume that everything takes
minutes
> to install school wide, and expects you to know the intimacies of a
> program because "that's what you're paid to do, right?" when they've
just
> given you the CD. Too many times I've been asked to put something on
the
> network, then be expected to instantly know the innermost workings of
the
> program when the person teaching it can't be bothered learning the
basics
> because they're "too busy".
>
> I'm not saying people on this list are like that, but I can assure the
> honourable listees that there are plenty of them around who don't
> understand or care about why they can't have the CD installed for
their
> class period 5 today.
>
> I'm in a fortunate position here in that there is enough time and
staff
> to do things, to take on new projects and research what new software
> might do / bugshoot. I'm also aware that not every school in the state
is
> in the same position from both others anecdotes and from seeing other
> schools during teaching rounds where I aim to check out their IT as
well
> as teach!
>
> Assuming the IT tech is genuinely professional (and apart from other
> people's assumptions I've seen no evidence to suggest otherwise) and
may
> well be trying to do what he/she sees as best for the school (a
reliable
> network that is useable by having high up time) compared to what
someone
> else sees as best for the school (installing software to
produce/enhance
> learning in an interesting and relevant way), maybe it's worth sitting
> down over a coffee / beer and asking why they have the policy, and
what
> would be needed to produce an exception. If nothing else you have
> something to refute against if you need to escalate it, and maybe you
can
> both come to a compromise where the software can go on if you agree to
be
> responsible for it.
>
> Now donning the flameproof suit...
>
> Michael Walker
> CGSC IT technician.
>
>
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