[Year 12 IPM] Record for number of messages broken !!!
Kevork Krozian
kevork at edulists.com.au
Fri Dec 1 21:47:25 EST 2006
Hi IPM ( soon to be itapps) colleagues,
Well you have done it. In Nov 2006 you posted 435 messages ( about 15 per day ) overtaking the previous record of 424 (Aug 2006) set by the Business Managers' mailing list. Remember they are at their desks/computers almost the whole working day and your working day is a different arrangement.
I hope the interaction was useful as we enter a new dawn ..... not meaning to be too dramatic.
While I have your attention. In the next little while the ipm mailing list will be retired and all subscribers will be moved to the new list itapps at edulists.com.au . You do not need to do anything. A message will go out when the changeover ( will it be direct, phased, pilot or parallel ???? -- just kidding ! ) takes place. Just keep replying to the list. For a while both ipm at edulists.com.au and itapps at edulists.com.au will go to the same place after which ipm at edulists.com.au will no longer exist ........ :( teary eyed ..... I believe it is the first name change for IPM since 1990, though I am happy to be corrected if that is wrong.
A similar announcement will go out to the is at edulists.com.au list which will convert to sofdev at edulists.com.au .
The twig on the edulists tree showing ipm will gradually shrink and be overtaken by the itapps twig and similarly the is twig will give way to the sofdev one.
Anyone care to make a speech on the cusp of this momentous occasion or are we too busy stressing out about next year ? I am not sure about everyone else but I will have sofdev, yr11it and VET IT which will all be new next year ( I will also teach Cisco CCNA 1-2 and Cisco CCNA 3-4 ).
With thanks and Best Wishes to all of you
Kevork Krozian
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----- Original Message -----
From: Roland Gesthuizen
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers'Mailing List
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
G'day Keith, my virtual shoes are ringing (or is it my music player). Yesterday my memory laces come loose with too many unanswered SMS pages and I had to reboot the soles. Enjoy the attached creative writing essay by one of my IPM students from four years ago.
(* Clicks heels of his red shoes three times, shouting there is no place like school, there is no place like school ... *) Apologies to Dorothy and Toto.
Regards Roland
On 01/12/06, Keith Richardson <keithcr at fastmail.fm> wrote:
G'day Scotty - suggestion - just timetable virtual classes with virtual
teachers in virtual spaces then the kids stay at home, the teachers stay
in the staffroom (to be close to the coffee machines), and the school
puts extra Moodle servers into the empty classrooms. Time becomes
immaterial because classes may be held either synchronously (if you were
able to put them together in the timetable, and asynchronistically at
other times. It sounds so good, I might just give it a try (joking...).
Cheers, Keith
On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:26:21 +1100, "Mark Scott"
<msc at staff.luther.vic.edu.au> said:
> Keith
>
> You sound so progressive and dynamic that it is depressing, especially
> when I am knee deep in the mire trying to build a 2007 timetable and
> haven't looked at the study design yet.
>
> (Pls excuse the whinge)
> Mark Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Keith Richardson
> Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:20 AM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
>
> Thank you Mark and Paula - although I don't like it, I can see where you
> are coming from.
> I personally do not like it because having to 'fake-it' rarely leaves me
> or the kids satisfied - it seems like science experiments of old where
> we tell the kids what 'should' have happened even though their eyes and
> ears tell them that it did not.
> I guess that as long as we expose them to actually functioning tools
> albeit not in their actual SAC, they can become intuitively confident
> that such functionality does really exist. In the past I have
> experienced similar frustrations with wanting to have functioning
> databases behind websites.
> However, for myself I intend trying as hard as possible to achieve
> genuine functionality of appropriate virtual-team-tools within their SAC
> situation. Time will tell!
> Keith
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:29:14 +1100, "Christophersen, Paula P"
> <christophersen.paula.p at edumail.vic.gov.au > said:
> > Mark and colleagues
> >
> > This last interpretation of the outcome (and task requirements) and
> > advice about teaching and learning and assessment are timely and
> > correct.
> >
> > Regards
> > Paula
> >
> > Paula Christophersen
> > ICT Curriculum Manager
> > Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> > Authority
> > 41 St Andrews Place
> > EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> > Phone: 03 9651 4378
> > Fax: 03 9651 4324
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > On Behalf Of Mark Kelly
> > Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2006 8:21 AM
> > To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > Teachers'Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> >
> > Key things to remember abuout ITA U3O2, as I understand it...
> >
> > - Knowledge sharing is part of it, but the solution must also
> facilitate
> >
> > team decision-making. (So a static website with info on it - as in
> the
> > Potts example - is not good.)
> >
> > - Features that can't be realistically created for real can be
> > simulated. e.g. Create a web forum lookalike screen in Photoshop; fake
> a
> >
> > web-shopping checkout or online feedback form, or a networked calendar
> > or booking sheet with graphics buttons and the like. Since it's a
> > prototype website, such parts do not need to actually work. So the
> kids
> >
> > don't need to actually set up a Miki or a Woogle, they just have to
> > indicate that they know it would help the team share info / make
> > collaborative decisions.
> >
> > - So by all means introduce kids to relevant tools, but don't freak
> > yourself out unnecessarily about having to use them in the outcome.
> >
> > As I understand it...
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Keith Richardson wrote:
> > > I am also very confused by this Geraldine - I am almost tempted to
> try
> > > to do it in two parts - one with website creation, and one using our
> > > Moodle in the school setting them the task to design then create
> > various
> > > cooperative, virtual team tools and be able to demonstrate that they
> > > actually work. I have not planned more deeply than that yet.
> > > What do others think?
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:23:11 +1100, "Geraldine McKenna"
> > > <gmckenna at ozemail.com.au> said:
> > >> I still feel quite unclear about what is expected in this outcome.
> > Would
> > >> a
> > >> link to the Google Docs site mentioned recently suffice or a link
> to
> > a
> > >> Moodle wiki for sharing knowledge or a blog? Given that we need to
> > use
> > >> web
> > >> authoring software - Dreamweaver in my case - I can only imagine
> > creating
> > >> links to other tools rather than actually creating the knowledge
> > sharing
> > >> capability within the website. Can anyone give more specific
> examples
> > of
> > >> how
> > >> they imagine this prototype website will look?
> > >> Geraldine McKenna
> > >> Avila College
> > >>
> > >> Thanks also for feedback re VET Multimedia. Seems it may not be a
> > more
> > >> attractive option for girls?
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> > [mailto: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On
> > >> Behalf Of Christophersen, Paula P
> > >> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:33 AM
> > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > >> Teachers'MailingList
> > >> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Dear colleagues
> > >>
> > >> It's great to hear this healthy discussion regarding Unit 3,
> Outcome
> > 2.
> > >> I just want to stress that when students independently develop
> their
> > >> prototype website, it is OK just to simulate practices/tools rather
> > than
> > >> creating/using them. The main intention of this part of the outcome
> > is
> > >> for students to demonstrate their understanding of tools/facilities
> > >> available to support knowledge sharing and collaborative
> > >> decision-making.
> > >>
> > >> So, when completing this assessment task, students would design the
> > >> website, create the homepage and create/simulate that part of the
> > >> website that supports knowledge sharing and collaborative decision
> > >> making. Then, comes the theory part on networking.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> Paula
> > >>
> > >> Paula Christophersen
> > >> ICT Curriculum Manager
> > >> Victorian Curriculum and Assessment
> > >> Authority
> > >> 41 St Andrews Place
> > >> EAST MELBOURNE 3002
> > >> Phone: 03 9651 4378
> > >> Fax: 03 9651 4324
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> > [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> > >> On Behalf Of Cameron Bell
> > >> Sent: Friday, 24 November 2006 8:05 AM
> > >> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> > >> Teachers'Mailing List
> > >> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] U3O2 Virtual Teams
> > >>
> > >> Likewise. I am wondering about setting up a Jabber server for such
> a
> > >> purpose. Simply to reduce external traffic costs and bandwidth and
> > keep
> > >> it fully internal and "safer" for students. Has anyone done this
> yet?
> > >> Would be interested in feedback.
> > >> Cameron
> > >>
> > >> Keith Richardson wrote:
> > >>> Skype has enabled some of the virtual teams I work in to be fast,
> > >>> efficient and effective, but it is real-time. One also needs
> > >>> a-synchronous tools too.
> > >>> Keith
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:30:47 +1100, "Mark Kelly"
> > >>> <kel at mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au> said:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Yes, but is email a complete solution? It's certainly relevant
> and
> > >>>> important, but can it achieve everything a virtual team needs?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I ask myself (as 3:30 comes and I have to drag myself to a
> > curriculum
> > >>>> meeting) why I'm dragging myself to a meeting. Why couldn't it
> be
> > >> done
> > >>>> by email? If you can work that out, you may start to see where
> > >> email's
> > >>>> limitations begin.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 2.2 cents' worth (GST inc)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Off to curriculum. VELS again.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sigh........
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> jtabone at aitkencollege.edu.au wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Dear All
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I am reading with interest everyone's comments on U302 -
> > >>>>> collaborative problem solving within virtual teams and am
> > wondering
> > >>>>> if I may be over-simplifying this outcome task
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Going by the detailed example in the study design p. 69-70 we
> are
> > >>>>> given the scenario of university located on one
> > >>>>> "large campus", whereby management has recently formed as one of
> > >>>>> their key objectives to "strengthen current strategic
> > collaborations
> > >>>>> and forge new alliances that will create new knowledge ..."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The task is then:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "design and create a prototype website for Sherwood University
> > that
> > >>>>> will enable various virtual teams ... to realise their goals and
> > to
> > >>>>> enhance decision making, knowledge sharing and collaborative
> > problem
> > >>>>> solving"
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Couldn't simply having an email link solve this problem - yes
> you
> > >>>>> would use wikis, blogs, forums, webcasts, and every other "sexy"
> > >>>>> tool
> > >>>>> - however I can communicate virtually via email to people with
> the
> > >>>>> same interest (teams)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Really, isn't that what I am doing right now - sending an email
> to
> > a
> > >>>>> group of people with a common interest and goal and sharing
> > >>>>> information and receiving information in a collaborative
> > environment
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Just my thoughts
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers
> > >>>>> Joyce Tabone
> > >>>>> Aitken College
> > >>>>>
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