[Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT? Justification

[O'Connor, Peter T]

Rod, Keith
 
This stuff looks terrific. I will put it to good use. Thanks for all your help - both of you are fabulous list contributors
 
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Peter O'Connor
Bayside College

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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Keith Richardson
Sent: Thu 17/11/05 12:28 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT? Justification



Rod - I notice that you mention Paint Shop Pro (or it could be photoshop
for what I want to talk about).
In my humble opinion, I like to show my kids a sequence of programs that
are capable of doing progressively more and more complex things (single
layer 2D, multi-layer 2D, multi-layer-multi-frame-2D, 3D).
What I mean is:
IrfanView and Paint - single layer work - great things but ultimately
limited by everything being on a single layer.
Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop - multi-layer work, and the wonderful
explosion of possibilities that happens once you work multi-layer.
Video Editing such as Sony Vegas Movie Studio, or Flash - multi-layer
plus multi-frame letting you do things in multiple layers with changes
across time (plus sound too..., but that's another story)
3D such as Bryce - introducing the complexity of the third dimension (x,
y, z axes) both still and movie.
My dream is for the kids to realise the different ways of perceiving the
creative happening with image construction, and with this sequence I try
to lead them on this path of awakening.
Why am I raving on so much? - because some of my kids get stuck on
cloning in PSP and refuse to aspire to multiple layers, then are amazed
at how quickly we are able to redo something that looks complex by
simply altering one of the layers. So with PSP I would never stop at
just single layers. That's all.
Regards, Keith



On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:42:37 +1100, "Rod Kendall"
<rod.kendall at overnewton.vic.edu.au> said:
> Peter
> 
> Below is a table showing our Middle School IT program. We have this as
> an interim step for 1-2 years working on the fact that the VELS model
> will change some of this. We have tried to make sure that we keep a good
> theory component going as well.
> 
> See what you think
> 
> Rod
> 
> Proposed IT Curriculum structure in Years 5 to 8 for 2006 and beyond
> 
> Changes based on the following:
> 
> New Theory component to be at each year level but set as homework tasks
> with class discussion - include 7 areas of computer competition.
> Typing to remain constant through each year level
> 
> 
> 
> Year level
> Topic 1
> Topic 2
> Topic 3
> 5
> Microsoft Publisher (Magazine)     
> Digital Camera work 
> 7 weeks
> Intro to Excel
> +, -, X and /
> Graphing wizard
> Formatting
> 3 weeks
> 
> 6
> Microworlds
> 6 weeks
> MS. PowerPoint   
> With MS Producer
> 4 weeks 
> 
> 7
> Excel
> Sum
> Average
> Percentage
> Database interrogation (sorting with filters)
> Mail merge
> 3 weeks
> Robotics
> Control of RCX
> Programming functions
> Design
> Challenges
> 
> 
> 5 weeks
> Image Editing
> Intro to PaintShop Pro
> Open
> Crop
> Select
> Modify
> Clone
> (Effects and Adjust Menu)
> 1-2 weeks
> 8
> Flash
> Basic Tools
> Create animation
> 5 weeks
> Video Editing
> MS Moviemaker
> 
> 3 weeks
> Website
> Frontpage -
> Culmination of flash and video
> 2 weeks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rod Kendall
> Head of Information and Communication Technologies (ICT)
> Head of Information Technology (Keilor Campus)
> Overnewton Anglican Community College
> 2-30 Overnewton Rd
> Keilor  VIC 3036
> Direct Tel : 03 9334 0134
> Mobile: 0418 138 601
> Fax: 03 9336 1835
> ________________________________
>
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of O'Connor, Peter T
> Sent: 16 November 2005 3:16 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT? Justification
> 
> Rod,
> 
>  It has taken me a while to put something on significance on this list
> but I have been embarrassed into it by the recent thread about us
> lurkers!1 :)
> 
> Whilst I agree with a lot of your sentiments, I think we do need to be
> able to mount more compelling arguments to justify the position of IT in
> the curriculum.
> 
> I take your point about English, however there are a number of subjects
> that enter the curriculum in their own right for the first time at VCE
> eg Legal Studies, Accounting, Health and Human Development, Psychology
> to name a few. Subjects like Maths, English and LOTE do need to have the
> foundations built in the lower years but I am not so sure about many
> other subjects including IT.
> 
> One of the other things that worries me a little, is that whenever we
> come up with a Year 7/8 course for example (and I admit to being very
> guilty here) we fall back on those hoary old chestnuts - Word, Excel,
> Powerpoint and (for heavens sake) Access. It is little wonder that other
> KLAs cry out that they can do that as well as anyone else - a lot of it
> is monkey see monkey do. And don't get me started on Access -no one in
> their right mind would ever use seriously in business or anywhere else
> for that matter  - IMHO.
> 
> I am inspired by people like Keith Richardson who comes up with video,
> multimedia etc. That is where we are heading I suspect. Yet even, as I
> write, people are all over the Cert I stuff that has been on the list
> today.
> 
> I do not profess to have all or any of the answers to out dilemma but I
> think we need to seriously think about where we want to take IT as a
> subject.
> 
> __________
> Peter O'Connor
> Bayside College
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Rod Kendall
> Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2005 12:59 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: [Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT? Justification
> Dear All
> 
> This follows on from the discussion that Keith started months ago.......
> 
> I think that we need to get clear in our own heads the difference
> between ICT and IT.
> 
> Here are a few questions that need to be answered?
> 
> As a subject area, do we not have content that is subject specific to be
> taught ? Eg SDLC, Hardware and Software. I see IT curriculum as
> important as any other subject area. We have a curriculum that
> culminates in a VCE study either IPM or IS. It is ridiculous to say that
> students can turn up in Year 10/11 and suddenly acquire the full range
> of skills and knowledge to pass these VCE exams. We do not do that to
> students of English. (My College teaches the basis of programming
> concepts and the SDLC (and other like topis) as low as Year 5 - this
> provides the basis for a steady build up of skills and knowledge through
> Year 5, 6, 7 , 8 , 9 (compulsory IT) and Years 10,11, and 12 (optional).
> 
> Are there not skills that IT will teach that may not be covered in an
> ICT based curriculum? Eg creating access databases, how to connect up a
> scanner etc
> 
> I find it hard to swallow that we cannot justify our own curriculum.
> 
> These are my thoughts...interested in others
> 
> 
> Rod
> Rod Kendall
> Head of Information and Communication Technologies (ICT)
> Head of Information Technology (Keilor Campus)
> Overnewton Anglican Community College
> 2-30 Overnewton Rd
> Keilor  VIC 3036
> Direct Tel : 03 9334 0134
> Mobile: 0418 138 601
> Fax: 03 9336 1835
> ________________________________
>
> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
> On Behalf Of Martin, Michael M
> Sent: 16 November 2005 12:22 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT Coordinator duties and time
> allowances
> 
>
> I have concerns with ICT according to VELS.   Our IPM classes are down
> from 3 this year to 1 next year.  My principal is talking about removing
> IT from Years 7 and 8, making 9/10 as electives and teaching ICT skills
> across the other subject.  Many teachers seem to have concerns.  What
> are the navigator schools doing?  What is their approach to ICT
> according to VELS?  Please advise.
> 
> 
> Michael Martin
> Copperfield College
> 
> 
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> From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen
> Sent: Mon 14/11/2005 4:39 PM
> To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT Coordinator duties and time
> allowances
> Thanks for the post Leanne, sad to read some of these changes going on
> around the traps. How do they fit into the broader context of the
> implementation of VELS into your school? We may need to watch that we
> don't inflict up on students a new ailment of "IT death by Google or
> powerpoint". It has taken some convincing here that IT has been much
> much more ever teaching kids how to use PowerPoint.
>
> Somebody asked what it would take to replace an ICT trained teacher. I
> have been a wag to respond in kind if there was a 2 hour workshop that
> an ICT teacher could do before teaching a year 10 English class ..
> afterall, don't we all speak, read and write English? (no disrespect
> intended to English staff)  I have also insisted  that I embrace my work
> as part of a professional learning team but will be offended if I am not
> consulted or it is assumed that I have been.
>
> I like some aspects of VELS but also understand that most IT trained
> teachers have studied long and hard to qualify for their method area.
> Naturally they may feel quite alone and humiliated if they are sidelined
> and marginalised from any discussions about these changes.
>
> Regards Roland
>
> Biggins, Leanne D wrote:
>
> >Hi Ros,
> >This year at Heathmont College, the program manager / coordinator (me)
> has had 2 periods allowance per 10 day cycle - ie 1 period per week.
> >The duties include liasing with the ICT tech staff who service the
> entire college, looking after budgets and orders, and checking that the
> relevant exams are prepared and submitted.
> >Since I have been the only full time IT teacher for the last 2 years,
> most of this just related to me, but there have been up to 5 others
> taking a class or 3 here and there.  I have done curriculum where there
> were parallel classes to mine, and suggested units in the classes that I
> don't teach, but I am not officially responsible for curriculum and
> neither are any of the other program managers.  Who is? I don't know!!!
> I think that it is assumed that curriculum just hapens!
> >
> >Next year my role will change - to help deal with VELs.  I will be a
> teaching and learning coach with a focus on ICT and still have the
> program manager's responsibilities. I will have 9 periods per cycle.  We
> have lost IT at years 8 and 10, and have had a semester block at year 7
> in all of my time at this school.  My role next year will include going
> into other classes to help students / staff to cover the integrated IT
> and to help students to progress in their skills there.  I guess I will
> be asked advice as well, since there will not be time to go into as many
> classes as would like to utilise my presence.
> >
> >We'll see how it goes next year.  I see it as a postion full of
> potential and positives, but it may all fall over.  I despair that
> students will only use the skills that they come in with initially, and
> I hope to help them progress.
> >
> >Leanne Biggins
> >Heathmont College
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Meadows, Roslyn M
> >Sent: Thu 10/11/2005 1:58 PM
> >To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
> Teachers'Mailing List
> >Subject: ICT Coordinator duties and time allowances
> >
> >
> >I am currently pushing to have an ICT Coordinator position reinstated
> in our school (we have had no position and no time allowance available
> for this position this year)
> >
> >Just a quick email asking others briefly
> >
> >
> >*    
> >       What are your responsibilities?
> >
> >*    
> >       What is your time allowance?
> >
> >Any feedback asap would be really appreciated
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Ros Meadows
> >Bentleigh SC
> >9579 1044
> >meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au
> >
> >"Furious activity is no substitute for understanding." H. H. Williams
> >
> >
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