[Year 12 IPM] ICT and IT? Justification

Wed Nov 16 12:58:41 EST 2005

Dear All

This follows on from the discussion that Keith started months ago.......

I think that we need to get clear in our own heads the difference
between ICT and IT.

Here are a few questions that need to be answered?

As a subject area, do we not have content that is subject specific to be
taught ? Eg SDLC, Hardware and Software. I see IT curriculum as
important as any other subject area. We have a curriculum that
culminates in a VCE study either IPM or IS. It is ridiculous to say that
students can turn up in Year 10/11 and suddenly acquire the full range
of skills and knowledge to pass these VCE exams. We do not do that to
students of English. (My College teaches the basis of programming
concepts and the SDLC (and other like topis) as low as Year 5 - this
provides the basis for a steady build up of skills and knowledge through
Year 5, 6, 7 , 8 , 9 (compulsory IT) and Years 10,11, and 12 (optional).

Are there not skills that IT will teach that may not be covered in an
ICT based curriculum? Eg creating access databases, how to connect up a
scanner etc

I find it hard to swallow that we cannot justify our own curriculum.

These are my thoughts...interested in others

Rod
Rod Kendall
Head of Information and Communication Technologies (ICT)
Head of Information Technology (Keilor Campus)
Overnewton Anglican Community College
2-30 Overnewton Rd 
Keilor  VIC 3036
Direct Tel : 03 9334 0134
Mobile: 0418 138 601
Fax: 03 9336 1835
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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Martin, Michael M
Sent: 16 November 2005 12:22 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT Coordinator duties and time
allowances

I have concerns with ICT according to VELS.   Our IPM classes are down
from 3 this year to 1 next year.  My principal is talking about removing
IT from Years 7 and 8, making 9/10 as electives and teaching ICT skills
across the other subject.  Many teachers seem to have concerns.  What
are the navigator schools doing?  What is their approach to ICT
according to VELS?  Please advise.

Michael Martin
Copperfield College

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From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: Mon 14/11/2005 4:39 PM
To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IPM] RE: ICT Coordinator duties and time
allowances
Thanks for the post Leanne, sad to read some of these changes going on
around the traps. How do they fit into the broader context of the
implementation of VELS into your school? We may need to watch that we
don't inflict up on students a new ailment of "IT death by Google or
powerpoint". It has taken some convincing here that IT has been much
much more ever teaching kids how to use PowerPoint.

Somebody asked what it would take to replace an ICT trained teacher. I
have been a wag to respond in kind if there was a 2 hour workshop that
an ICT teacher could do before teaching a year 10 English class ..
afterall, don't we all speak, read and write English? (no disrespect
intended to English staff)  I have also insisted  that I embrace my work
as part of a professional learning team but will be offended if I am not
consulted or it is assumed that I have been.

I like some aspects of VELS but also understand that most IT trained
teachers have studied long and hard to qualify for their method area.
Naturally they may feel quite alone and humiliated if they are sidelined
and marginalised from any discussions about these changes.

Regards Roland

Biggins, Leanne D wrote:

>Hi Ros,
>This year at Heathmont College, the program manager / coordinator (me)
has had 2 periods allowance per 10 day cycle - ie 1 period per week.
>The duties include liasing with the ICT tech staff who service the
entire college, looking after budgets and orders, and checking that the
relevant exams are prepared and submitted.
>Since I have been the only full time IT teacher for the last 2 years,
most of this just related to me, but there have been up to 5 others
taking a class or 3 here and there.  I have done curriculum where there
were parallel classes to mine, and suggested units in the classes that I
don't teach, but I am not officially responsible for curriculum and
neither are any of the other program managers.  Who is? I don't know!!!
I think that it is assumed that curriculum just hapens!
>
>Next year my role will change - to help deal with VELs.  I will be a
teaching and learning coach with a focus on ICT and still have the
program manager's responsibilities. I will have 9 periods per cycle.  We
have lost IT at years 8 and 10, and have had a semester block at year 7
in all of my time at this school.  My role next year will include going
into other classes to help students / staff to cover the integrated IT
and to help students to progress in their skills there.  I guess I will
be asked advice as well, since there will not be time to go into as many
classes as would like to utilise my presence.
>
>We'll see how it goes next year.  I see it as a postion full of
potential and positives, but it may all fall over.  I despair that
students will only use the skills that they come in with initially, and
I hope to help them progress.
>
>Leanne Biggins
>Heathmont College
>
>________________________________
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>From: ipm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Meadows, Roslyn M
>Sent: Thu 10/11/2005 1:58 PM
>To: Year 12 Information Technology Processing and Management
Teachers'Mailing List
>Subject: ICT Coordinator duties and time allowances
>
>
>I am currently pushing to have an ICT Coordinator position reinstated
in our school (we have had no position and no time allowance available
for this position this year)
>
>Just a quick email asking others briefly
>
>
>*     
>       What are your responsibilities?
>
>*     
>       What is your time allowance?
>
>Any feedback asap would be really appreciated
>
>Cheers
>
>Ros Meadows
>Bentleigh SC
>9579 1044
>meadows.roslyn.m at edumail.vic.gov.au
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