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<div class="">The problem is … exactly what general-purpose programming language? Unfortunately most programming languages are pretty specific. JavaScript is oft-cited but this is not really a stand-alone language in the way, say, Visual Basic is designed to
be. The Khan Academy and <a href="http://code.org" class="">code.org</a> teaching materials are great but they’re really providing a whole environment and therefore purpose for JS - something the language itself was not really designed for. </div>
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<div class="">Alice is designed to be object-oriented, so I’m happy these ideas could be introduced at 7/8. If you were really keen you could use Alice 3 and transition into Java. GameMaker for 7/8 also works for me as you have to build up a conceptual model
of “what is a game?”. In the next generation of the 9/10 elective I’m also flirting with the idea of Visual Basic because you can include ideas of Application Architecture (n layers). Microsoft has some pretty good pricing for things like Team Server for Education
packages - getting students into Visual Studio IDE with Team Server source control, now that is starting to look like real programming! I know Python has its fans at year 12 …</div>
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<div class="">I take your point about Scratch. I think it’s okay if everyone does it year 1 but would like to have something different perhaps in year 2 at Y6.</div>
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<div class=""><a href="https://madmaker.com.au/" class="">https://madmaker.com.au/</a> came to our school to use Arduino to teach Y9s programming. I see this as okay in year 1 but once you get a few students through you need to start building projects with
more stuff. Someone told me about the sensor packs, etc. you can get for Edison boards. I think these projects require a fair bit of investment in equipment. More so that straight-up programming which can be done on existing gear, cheap or free …</div>
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<div class="">Over time I hope these descriptors become more, well, descriptive, in terms of programming ideas rather than using languages as a proxy. </div>
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<span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Overall I think the learning path is the part that is the most important. You need to ensure that student capacity is built on each year, as it helps the students (As well
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<span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Having different environments (IDE’s) is always a good thing too, so students do not get hooked on the idea “I can only program in scratch”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div>
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Band: …<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">using an object-oriented programming language</span></span></span><a href="http://victoriancurriculum.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Curriculum/ContentDescription/VCDTCD053" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">(VCDTCD053)</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></span></div>
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On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Mel Yuan <<a href="mailto:melyuan@hotmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">melyuan@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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Y4 -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://code.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">code.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Course 2, Scratch<br class="">
Y5 -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://code.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">code.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Course 2/3, Scratch<br class="">
Y6 -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://code.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">code.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Course 2/3/4, Scratch<br class="">
Y7 -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://code.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">code.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Accelerated Course 2-4, Alice 2<br class="">
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