Tony mentioned the Flynn effect<br><br>IQ question:<br>What do dogs and rabbits have in common?<br><br>Great grand parents: dogs eat rabbits<br>A child today: they are both mammals<br><br>There is a general trend due to richer overall environment to think more abstractly, which equals a higher IQ
<br><br>Even junk media like TV offers far more complex story lines than in the past<br><br>I take the above example from a recent audio on the Flynn effect in response to James Watson's (co-discoverer of DNA structure) racist comments
<br><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/2007/12/17/071217on_audio_gladwell">http://www.newyorker.com/online/2007/12/17/071217on_audio_gladwell</a><br><br><br>-- <br>Bill Kerr<br><a href="http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/">
http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/</a><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 14, 2008 7:47 AM, Tony Forster <<a href="mailto:forster@ozonline.com.au">forster@ozonline.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">more info to muddy the waters:</font></div>
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<div>The <b>Flynn effect</b> is the rise of average <a title="Intelligence Quotient" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_Quotient" target="_blank">Intelligence
Quotient</a> (IQ) test scores, an effect seen in most parts of the world,
although at greatly varying rates. It is named after <a title="James R. Flynn" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Flynn" target="_blank">James R. Flynn</a>, who did
much to document it and promote awareness of its implications. This increase has
been continuous and roughly linear from the earliest days of testing to the
present. "</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect</a></font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [Yr7-10it] Multiple
intelligences - any evidence ???</div>
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<div><font size="2">Hi Folks,</font></div>
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<div><font size="2"> Nothing like stirring the pot to start a good chin
wag.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Just finished watching "Brain Power" or
similarly titled documentary on SBS ( Sunday 8:30 pm 13/1/08 ) where
several very successful people ( fighter pilot, quantum physicist, artist,
chess grandmaster, music child prodigy etc ) were tested for intelligence.
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<div> <font size="2">One comment caught my attention from an expert : "
There is little evidence to support the theory of multiple intelligences
-- (<font size="3">1) linguistic intelligence; (2) musical intelligence;
(3) logical- mathematical intelligence; (4) spatial intelligence; (5) bodily-
kinesthetic intelligence; (6) interpersonal intelligence; and (7) intra-
personal intelligence</font>) as proposed by Howard Gardner -- after
which I did a quick search on the subject.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">I discovered the following link as the first hit basically
supporting this position of lack of evidence of multiple intelligences
which leads me to ask if we are just tinkering with a fad. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2"><a href="http://nswagtc.org.au/info/articles/McGuinessMultIntellig.html" target="_blank">http://nswagtc.org.au/info/articles/McGuinessMultIntellig.html</a></font></div></div>
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<div><font size="2">Questions:</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">1.</font><font size="2">What do people think about the lack of
evidence for multiple intelligences ?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">2. The same site claims talent is rewarded much more
highly than intelligence. Wow !! Should we be focussing more
on devloping talent in that case instead of intelligence if we are there to
assist our students with maximising their rewards in society ??</font></div>
<div><font size="2">3.Do we believe intelligence can indeed be improved which
would mean with enough practice you can eventually qualify for Mensa ??
An exaggeration simply made to highlight a point. </font></div>
<div><font size="2">4. Does learning a set of skills or to apply it to a new
situation promote increasing intelligence ? Are students being "trained" as
per VET type subjects, or are they there to "learn" a body of knowledge/set of
skills ? What exactly is learning in that case ?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">5. Does the ability to apply knowledge to a new situation
mean you are more intelligent than someone who is not able to do so
?</font></div>
<div><font size="2">6. Does successful learning and if that is tied to
increasing one's intelligence become redefined as society changes and new
learning tools are introduced ? If so, why are intelligence tests unchanged
over the last 100 years ?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">One other conclusion from the documentary was that people
who were given the intelligence test at age 11 and again at age 79 tended to
do better on the whole at age 79 than at 11. What does that mean ? Why
does your intelligence necessarily increase with age ?</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Another was a brain scan of the highest IQ score holder
amongst the group tested in the documentary. This fellow had an IQ of 162
which I think was 1 in a million yet he had a smaller brain. This was
described as an efficient sports car vs a larger sedan - less bulk needed due
to higher quality engine. </font></div>
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<div><font size="2"> Lots of issues here, but would be interested in
people's perspective on the subject(s).</font></div>
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<div><font size="2">Best Wishes</font></div>
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