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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree that kids are more technology savvy
but to what level. Take Word for example. They can type documents safe and
print but you get a kid to do a search and replace, use auto text and other slightly
advanced skills and they flounder. Our task as IT teachers is to point out all
these time saving features to our students and staff so they realise how much
they are missing out and how much better and productive things would be if they
had deeper skills. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The Barwon South West region is piloting
ICT Peer coaching – this is a program where I have time release to work
with two other teachers in integrating ICT into their teaching practices. They
hope to go state-wide next year – look out for it. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Also we need to be proactive in promoting
the use of new technologies such as Moodle, Joomla and Podcasting so rather
than just using Word and never ending PowerPoint presentations they can use a
range of ICT skills. The overall result deeper learning and more work for us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ian Clare<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ICT Co-ordinator <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Casterton Secondary College<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Anne-Marie Chase<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 14 October 2007
11:54 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Year 7 - 10 Information
Technology Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10
IT structures</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Hi<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>What
do you all think about kids being highly skilled IT users as the media and
research tells us i.e. Prenskys “Digital Natives” and Oblinger's
“net-generation” is it a myth that kids are skilled users of technology?
If Prensky’s research in <st1:country-region w:st="on">America</st1:country-region>
holds true for <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
surely kids don’t need ICT lessons?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Downes
research in primary schools in NSW also shows kids to be highly skilled.
Kennedy’s research of first year uni students at Melbourne Uni again
shows students to be highly skilled users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>I’d
be really interested in your opinions on this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'>Anne-Marie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face="Trebuchet MS"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Anne-Marie Chase<br>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Graduate</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">School</st1:PlaceType>
of Education <br>
The <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Western Australia</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><br>
web <a href="http://digital-kids.wikispaces.com/"
title="blocked::http://digital-kids.wikispaces.com/">http://digital-kids.wikispaces.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Trebuchet MS"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=5 color=green face=Webdings><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span></font><font
color=navy face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><font
size=1 color=green face=Arial><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:green'>please don't print this e-mail unless you really
need to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<pre><b><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Leanne Wright</span></font></b><span lang=EN-US> <a
href="mailto:yr7-10it%40edulists.com.au?Subject=%5BYr7-10it%5D%20Year%207-10%20IT%20structures&In-Reply-To=341ac4150710110358j3d7d99fk67c890bee59439b4%40mail.gmail.com"
title="[Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures">barbarloot at yahoo.com </a><br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><i><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic'>Sun Oct 14 08:00:33 EST 2007</span></font></i><span
lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm feeling fortunate to be at a school where IT is still a core subject at Year 7, 9 & 10 where It runs for 3 periods a week for one semester. Year 8s do a workshop subject and are timetabled in a computer room for 1 period where they use drawing programs to produce working drawings for their workshop projects (our technology teachers are all IT qualified). Next year these arrangements will remain substantially unchanged except for Year 10 which will lose about of quarter of its present time allowance in the transition to 72 minute periods. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> When the status of IT was originally being discussed, I presented a list of all the ICT skills that VELS required students to have, at which point the committee involved realised very few non IT teachers would have all these skills.decided to keep IT as a separate subject. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> I too am puzzled at the idea that 'integrating' IT into other subjects will allow anything approaching an adequeate skills base for the 'information age' and current employer expectations. Why not 'integrate' the teaching of English into other subjects - after all we can all read and write, and unlike IT, most if not all of us have done Year 12 English!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> Leanne Wright - <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Epping</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Colin SUTTON <<a
href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it">oz.sutton at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>My school, <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Montmorency</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place>, has NO compulsory ICT!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal IT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region></st1:place>) have ever had this! <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not formally taught ANY ICT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and sewing - useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid is ICT! <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally taught a wide range of other useful or essentail skills.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at Year 7 (Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8). <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or more units at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Comments anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Robert Minato<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12 October 2007 13:30<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Yr7-10it] Year 7-10
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Prior to 2007, all our
yr7 classes did 2-3 periods a week for a semester. This year, it is expected
that IT is integrated into other subjects. We have found that students arrive
here with a good grasp of applications. The yr7 do one or two periods intro to
IT mainly to familiarise non-apple students with the mac system. IT is
available as electives at yr9.<br>
<br>
Rob<br>
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-- <br>
Robert Minato<br>
Technology Leader<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Catholic</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Wodonga<br>
1 Bowman Crt<br>
Wodonga 3690<br>
02 6043 5546<br>
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On 11/10/07 8:58 PM, "Colin SUTTON" <oz.sutton@gmail.com>
wrote:</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:
9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Hi all<br>
<br>
My school, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Montmorency</st1:City> <st1:State
w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place>, has NO compulsory ICT!<br>
<br>
A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal IT.<br>
<br>
No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region></st1:place>)
have ever had this! <br>
<br>
It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not formally
taught ANY ICT.<br>
<br>
They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and sewing -
useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid is ICT! <br>
<br>
Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally taught a
wide range of other useful or essentail skills.<br>
<br>
Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at Year 7
(Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8). <br>
<br>
Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or more units
at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.<br>
<br>
Comments anyone?<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
COLIN _______________________________________________ <br>
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