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think about kids being highly skilled IT users as the media and research tells
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is it a myth that kids are skilled users of technology? If Prensky’s
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in primary schools in NSW also shows kids to be highly skilled. Kennedy’s
research of first year uni students at Melbourne Uni again shows students to be
highly skilled users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><b><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-weight:bold'>Leanne Wright</span></font></b> <a
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title="[Yr7-10it] Year 7-10 IT structures">barbarloot at yahoo.com </a><br>
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>Sun Oct 14 08:00:33 EST 2007</span></i> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I'm feeling fortunate to be at a school where IT is still a core subject at Year 7, 9 & 10 where It runs for 3 periods a week for one semester. Year 8s do a workshop subject and are timetabled in a computer room for 1 period where they use drawing programs to produce working drawings for their workshop projects (our technology teachers are all IT qualified). Next year these arrangements will remain substantially unchanged except for Year 10 which will lose about of quarter of its present time allowance in the transition to 72 minute periods. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> When the status of IT was originally being discussed, I presented a list of all the ICT skills that VELS required students to have, at which point the committee involved realised very few non IT teachers would have all these skills.decided to keep IT as a separate subject. <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> I too am puzzled at the idea that 'integrating' IT into other subjects will allow anything approaching an adequeate skills base for the 'information age' and current employer expectations. Why not 'integrate' the teaching of English into other subjects - after all we can all read and write, and unlike IT, most if not all of us have done Year 12 English!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Leanne Wright - <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Epping</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Colin SUTTON <<a
href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/yr7-10it">oz.sutton at gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>My school, <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Montmorency</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place>, has NO compulsory ICT!<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal IT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>) have ever had this! <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not formally taught ANY ICT.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and sewing - useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid is ICT! <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally taught a wide range of other useful or essentail skills.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at Year 7 (Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8). <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or more units at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Comments anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>COLIN _______________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12 October 2007 13:30<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=1 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Prior to 2007, all our yr7 classes
did 2-3 periods a week for a semester. This year, it is expected that IT is
integrated into other subjects. We have found that students arrive here with a
good grasp of applications. The yr7 do one or two periods intro to IT mainly to
familiarise non-apple students with the mac system. IT is available as
electives at yr9.<br>
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Rob<br>
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-- <br>
Robert Minato<br>
Technology Leader<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Catholic</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Wodonga<br>
1 Bowman Crt<br>
Wodonga 3690<br>
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On 11/10/07 8:58 PM, "Colin SUTTON" <oz.sutton@gmail.com>
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Hi all<br>
<br>
My school, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Montmorency</st1:City> <st1:State
w:st="on">SC</st1:State></st1:place>, has NO compulsory ICT!<br>
<br>
A student can go through 6 years of schooling here and do NO formal IT.<br>
<br>
No other school I have ever taught in (2 in Vic, 3 in QLD and 4 in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>) have ever
had this! <br>
<br>
It seems unbelievable that in the Information Age students are not formally
taught ANY ICT.<br>
<br>
They have to learn another language, do wood, metal, cooking and sewing -
useful and even essential - but the ONE thing none of them can avoid is ICT! <br>
<br>
Sure, many can play games and surf to sites, but they are not formally taught a
wide range of other useful or essentail skills.<br>
<br>
Schools I have taught in elsewhere had at least one semester of ICT at Year 7
(Yr 8 in QLD as secondary starts in Yr8). <br>
<br>
Most had an elective system that required them to do at least ONE or more units
at 8/9 or even again in Yr 10.<br>
<br>
Comments anyone?<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
COLIN _______________________________________________ <br>
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