[Yr7-10it] RE: Yr7-10it Digest, Vol 46, Issue 21
Kent Beveridge
kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au
Fri Jan 2 11:20:45 EST 2009
Hey Carolyn, send me your email address and I'd be happy to keep in touch. I am surprised about your comment on women teaching IT though, here in Vic, they are very active at ALL levels. In fact, our guru here is a very knowledgeable lady ...hi Paula C if you are reading this...
Paula is the one who essentially lets us teachers all know whats happening from the top down!
This is a wide reaching list so who knows what info you can, and may, get on any and many topics!
hmmm...doing a Masters eh? You must love HECS/PELS debts...(from personal experience here..).
Must go, headin to the beach...surfs up! (car's packed and its a couple of hrs drive...)
Cheers.
KB.
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St. Brigids Catholic Sec. College
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Hi Kent,
VET is a popular area inNSW, and I'm dual accredited in IT and Hospitality. At the moment we are in the first year of the HSC of a new syllabus for VET-IT. We currently teach it to years 11 and 12, but we are trialling varoious courses in year 10 with a future look at including in School Certificate (if that lasts, which I doubt). I'm actually a graduate from both Deakin and Monash Univeristies for the final year of my BEd, post grad Cert and MEd, and really notice the differences in the curriculum of both states. I have also maintained contact with various people I completed my courses with. In fact I had one come up at the end of Term 3 to have a look at how we do things in my school. Yes, our Maths curriculum is very rigorous and demanding, and there is so much to cram into 7 terms.
I'm actually not currently teaching the VET-IT as IT in NSW has been dealt a blow with a reduction in student numbers, and in many schools here, they have a "thing" about women teaching IT. I know the syllabus is available at the following website www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au . You can also go to the www.govet.nsw.edu.au site and get more information about resources. Many of the RTOs develop their own training packages for use in their school districts. I've not been able to get my hands on the IT one yet, but it only came to the school at the end of the year. I've been a bit slack last year in trying to get any IT info as I was just trying to work out a new school and system.
Feel free to contact me of list and I'll try and get you as much info as I possibly can.
Have a great New Year.
Carolyn
Carolyn Albury
Irrawang High School
Mount Hall Rd
Raymond Terrace NSW 2324
ph: 4987 4687
fax: 4983 1027
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From: "Kent Beveridge" <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>
Subject: RE: [Yr7-10it] RE: Yr7-10it Digest, Vol 46, Issue 15
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Hi Carolyn,
its interesting and informative to hear how some in other states are 'doing IT ' too. What type of inroads does the VET subject offerings have up there, eg Certificate I,II,III in Info Tech etc using the ICA05 training package? I am embarking down that road myself and feel my decision to 'push that barrrow' in my school for the yr10/11 levels will offer both greater scope and skills, plus improved interest for next years IT pupils. Plus, its nationally accredited training so adds to the (dare I say it) validation of a national curriculum being proposed ahead of us. The VET system certainly offers a stricter structure than VELS does! Must be something about the NSW curriculum, recently completed a postgrad maths course to accredit me for year 11/12 maths teaching and your senior maths is bloody hard work! (but I enjoyed the challenge...)
comments?
KB.
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Interesting to read the VIC concept of IT in curriculum, and how it's changing. In NSW we have Technology (ICT) as a compulsory integration across all KLAs. However, we have to teach a minimum number of hours (for the life of me, I can't remember the exact number......holiday mode has just kicked in) in Technology (Mandatory) in years 7 and 8. By the end of year 10, as part of the School Certificate, the students do a Computer Skills Test. This assesses their knowledge and skills in ICT that should have been taught across curriculum areas for 4 years. I've been teaching the ICT component in Tech Man since its inception, and love the scope it has to offer the students. At my current school, we use ICDL (epautotrack) to enhance the skills and knowledge of our year 8 students in a Digital Media Design unit. This involves the planning and construction of their own webpages using Dreamweaver. It's been great to use with the IWB. Actually showed a friend from down South d!
uring the year and they could see the merit......mind you, we both learnt a few things as well!!!!
Oh, and don't forget to mention the Ludites with the 19th century methods..........they still exist in all schools!!!
Have a Happy New Year all.
Carolyn
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Mount Hall Rd
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From: "Kent Beveridge" <kbeveridge at stbc.vic.edu.au>
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Gday Ro!
Year 7 IT has bitten the dust at my school for 09..yep, its been VELSIFIED! and integrated etc...blah, blahh,.
Already, some staff from other subjects have commented about them a)finding time to integrate the IT skills into their courses and, der.., b)have they the skillset to cope!
Now luckily for me, I can also teach Maths and now, VET(being Cert IV accredited now!), so for me, opportunities have opened if I chose to move back to the city..which I havent as yet! My load next year is ALL I.T. with the Cert II and III at yr 10/11 by my own creation(the boss told me I could do as I wanted - either VET or mainstream based, so I chose VET. Also developing a couple of projects in I.T. for my school next year to 'reinvent' and 'energise', the subject area here at St.B's.
Plus, as a bonus, I get to pretty much run my own ship in the subject next year!
So, if anyone is can use me in Melbourne to teach in 2010(no contracts!) - let me know next year - and lets negotiate! Offers in other states also considered, plus offers in industry will be entertained if available!! I alway like to keep my options open, so if the money's right, who knows!
Seeya at Ros's place in Jan....(could someone email me where it is please?) use my private email below.
KB.
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Hear about the bloke who struggled and fell? At least he gave it a go!!
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From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: Sun 12/21/2008 11:35 AM
To: Year 7 - 10 IT Mailing List; eLearning mailing list
Subject: [Yr7-10it] Captain, there be IT ahead
One thing is certain for 2009, and it is very likely to be change.
There has been some disquiet brewing how many secondary schools have
quietly dismantled technology and IT areas of the curriculum,
sometimes under the broad aim to create 'integrated' subjects. In
reality, the result has sometimes been a poor caricature and does not
provide any real scaffolding to encourage students to take up IT or
trade subjects. The reasons are of course quite complex but this and
other directions taken by schools have not helped the skill shortages
that are looming in both areas.
I note that QLD has just put IT and technology back onto the radar.
There will be 12 domains offered over 3 years (Years 10-12). These are
English, Maths, The Sciences, The Arts, HPE and Personal Development,
History, Geographical Studies, Human and Social Sciences, Design and
Technology, Business Studies, LOTE, and Information Technology. Each
domain will have a core and electives (specialist, extension and
transdisciplinary). With the senior phase now being Years 10-12,
'core' is really Year 10. .. yes, you read this right .. IT will have
it's own domain - Information Technology.
Considering that some of the VELS was inspired by the New Basics
program from QLD, it is interesting to watch this development, those
surrounding the national curriculum and the future of the VELS in
Victoria.
http://education.qld.gov.au/corporate/newbasics/
I am curious what others think of this or the grouping of core
subjects and domains that we have offer in Victoria?
Regards Roland
--
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From: "Jim Bunn" <bunn.jim.c at edumail.vic.gov.au>
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We've been without year 7 and 8 IT for the past two years. It was the dream
of the administration for years to fully integrate IT in the junior school,
and used the introduction of the year 7 - 8 Learning Centre to do it, saying
that it was mandated with the Learning Centre. IT still operates with
electives at years 9 and 10, and they are popular with the students.
I yearn for IT to be put back into the curriculum, even lumped with all of
Technology as it used to be, but to have it as a domain of its own, that
would be pretty special.
Jim
Jim Bunn
Technology Coordinator
Hampton Park Secondary College
8795 9400
CCAI CCNA ITE1
bunn.jim.c at edumail.vic.gov.au
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[mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2008 11:36 AM
To: Year 7 - 10 IT Mailing List; eLearning mailing list
Subject: [Yr7-10it] Captain, there be IT ahead
One thing is certain for 2009, and it is very likely to be change.
There has been some disquiet brewing how many secondary schools have quietly
dismantled technology and IT areas of the curriculum, sometimes under the
broad aim to create 'integrated' subjects. In reality, the result has
sometimes been a poor caricature and does not provide any real scaffolding
to encourage students to take up IT or trade subjects. The reasons are of
course quite complex but this and other directions taken by schools have not
helped the skill shortages that are looming in both areas.
I note that QLD has just put IT and technology back onto the radar.
There will be 12 domains offered over 3 years (Years 10-12). These are
English, Maths, The Sciences, The Arts, HPE and Personal Development,
History, Geographical Studies, Human and Social Sciences, Design and
Technology, Business Studies, LOTE, and Information Technology. Each domain
will have a core and electives (specialist, extension and
transdisciplinary). With the senior phase now being Years 10-12, 'core' is
really Year 10. .. yes, you read this right .. IT will have it's own domain
- Information Technology.
Considering that some of the VELS was inspired by the New Basics program
from QLD, it is interesting to watch this development, those surrounding the
national curriculum and the future of the VELS in Victoria.
http://education.qld.gov.au/corporate/newbasics/
I am curious what others think of this or the grouping of core subjects and
domains that we have offer in Victoria?
Regards Roland
--
Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au <http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au/> <http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au/>
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the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:21:55 +1100
From: Margaret Lawson <margaret.lawson at konstantkaos.net>
Subject: Re: [Yr7-10it] Captain, there be IT ahead
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I believe, in schools there is a confusion between student confidence
with technology and competence with technology. There are several
research reports out there that talk about Multitasking Generation and
how teachers and parents are often blinded by students who can easily
adapt to technology, and they perceive this confidence as the students
having advanced technology skills.
Yes the kids are confident and they pick things up quickly, but often
their computing habits lack substance.When I used to teach Year 7 and 8
IT many years ago, we used to focus on supporting IT across the various
subject areas building effective information processing skills so that
the kids could produce quality work. Most of what students do with
computers isn't necessarily good quality - it has bells, but there is no
focus or completion of tasks. Students need to know how to type properly
and I don't think that there are any short cuts with this skill. It is
better for their confidence in using the computer and their their health
(ergonomically). As for the basic skills in WP, SS, DB .... these
fundamentals allow subjects to jump right in and teach appropriate ICT
units rather than having to back-track with kids and teach them simple
information skills such as adding a header and footer.
Lets not confuse the technology confidence generation with the
technology competent generation and giving kids laptops does not mean
that they automatically assume these skills overnight. Giving kids
laptops without these skills can sometimes do more harm than good.
I am all for appropriate integration of IT across the curriculum, but
unless schools are willing to train non-IT teachers with the skills
needed to run effective IT units they need to keep their junior IT
classes in one form or another. I have worked in many schools and not
many of them are willing to invest the PD time in their teachers to
effectively run a fully integrated ICT program in schools.
2 cents worth!!!
:-)
Margaret Lawson
(currently on maternity leave from St. Michael's Grammar School,
returning in 2009)
Jim Bunn wrote:
> We've been without year 7 and 8 IT for the past two years. It was the dream
> of the administration for years to fully integrate IT in the junior school,
> and used the introduction of the year 7 - 8 Learning Centre to do it, saying
> that it was mandated with the Learning Centre. IT still operates with
> electives at years 9 and 10, and they are popular with the students.
>
> I yearn for IT to be put back into the curriculum, even lumped with all of
> Technology as it used to be, but to have it as a domain of its own, that
> would be pretty special.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim Bunn
>
> Technology Coordinator
> Hampton Park Secondary College
> 8795 9400
> CCAI CCNA ITE1
>
> bunn.jim.c at edumail.vic.gov.au
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:yr7-10it-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen
> Sent: Sunday, 21 December 2008 11:36 AM
> To: Year 7 - 10 IT Mailing List; eLearning mailing list
> Subject: [Yr7-10it] Captain, there be IT ahead
>
> One thing is certain for 2009, and it is very likely to be change.
>
> There has been some disquiet brewing how many secondary schools have quietly
> dismantled technology and IT areas of the curriculum, sometimes under the
> broad aim to create 'integrated' subjects. In reality, the result has
> sometimes been a poor caricature and does not provide any real scaffolding
> to encourage students to take up IT or trade subjects. The reasons are of
> course quite complex but this and other directions taken by schools have not
> helped the skill shortages that are looming in both areas.
>
> I note that QLD has just put IT and technology back onto the radar.
> There will be 12 domains offered over 3 years (Years 10-12). These are
> English, Maths, The Sciences, The Arts, HPE and Personal Development,
> History, Geographical Studies, Human and Social Sciences, Design and
> Technology, Business Studies, LOTE, and Information Technology. Each domain
> will have a core and electives (specialist, extension and
> transdisciplinary). With the senior phase now being Years 10-12, 'core' is
> really Year 10. .. yes, you read this right .. IT will have it's own domain
> - Information Technology.
>
> Considering that some of the VELS was inspired by the New Basics program
> from QLD, it is interesting to watch this development, those surrounding the
> national curriculum and the future of the VELS in Victoria.
> http://education.qld.gov.au/corporate/newbasics/
>
> I am curious what others think of this or the grouping of core subjects and
> domains that we have offer in Victoria?
>
> Regards Roland
> --
> Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
> http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au <http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au/> <http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au/>
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
> the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has."
> --Margaret Mead
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