<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Any future study design will be a synthesis that is curated from our ideas, aspirations and learning goals. I don't think it has ever been an easy process. Life is just plain easier when you can see what's ahead of you. Good thing now is that we have some wonderful tools such as the horizon reports that gives us some well charted directions and trends over the next decade. Lets all help Paula with some positive feedback to help make the next, one of our best.<div><div apple-content-edited="true">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Regards Roland<br><br><b>Roland GESTHUIZEN</b><br><a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a></div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;">"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead</span>
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<br><div><div>On 29 Nov 2013, at 1:52 pm, Christophersen, Paula P <<a href="mailto:christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au">christophersen.paula.p@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div fpstyle="1" ocsi="0" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">All comments about the strengths and weaknesses of the current study, and opportunities for inclusion would be appreciated.</div><p style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"> </p><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">Regards</div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">Paula</div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF815138" style="direction: ltr;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] on behalf of Mark [<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com">mark@vceit.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 29 November 2013 1:13 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List; Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] [Year 12 IT Apps] Web authoring software<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr">(Apologies for crossposts, but this may affect everyone.)<div><br></div><div>An old study design did include Agile, but it disappeared. (This is more of an SD issue rather than ITA, but it's still relevant.)<br>The old design had different flavours of the SDLC for SD/IS, ITA/IPM, Units 1/2... an awful mess. But at least it recognised that different models existed, and had merit.<div><br></div><div>I'm glad the current study design listened to reason and devised a single, coherent PSM, but to ignore Agile and other models is - as you say - odd since Agile is a major player in The Real World.</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I guess VCAA has to balance realism against practicality : it would be impossible to include *everything* involved in real-life IT in a course consisting of around 130 hours of class time per year. The question is - what is so important that it can't be left out? And if new content is added, what should be removed to make room for it?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Since Paula recently announced that the new study design is in preparation, this is the time to pull out our blue pencils, judge the current contents and give our feedback.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Regards</div><div class="gmail_extra">Mark</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Savage, John L<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="padding-left: 1ex; margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div lang="EN-AU"><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Roland,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u><u></u></span> </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The mismatch was never so clear as on a recent industry visit we made. Increasingly software is being developed for early and rapid release/update cycles. The software houses we visited all used the AGILE model, one in particular used a very formal Agile approach with an Agile Coach and regular morning sessions that sounded like they were based on AA meetings (hello, I’m Larry and I’m a Ruby developer, and yesterday I wrote 500 lines of code, today I will write another 500). Our mandated PSM is looking long in the tooth, great for shrink-wrapped software with infrequent updates, not so useful for rapidly evolving web-based solutions.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u><u></u></span> </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Laurie Savage<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><u></u><u></u></span> </div><div><div style="border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roland Gesthuizen<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 28 November 2013 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Web authoring software<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><u></u><u></u> </div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">We need to be clear and align with the skills that are being asked. Increasingly my friends in ye' olde big world build and publish using content management systems (Drupal, Joomla, wikis etc.) My school continues to use Dream Weaver.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">Google Sites may be an interesting way forward, especially if we consider how to best manage and assess the work of a team who are working online together. I'd agree with Jarrod that it is very easy to open and close access to a site and authenticate usage.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">Timely discussion. There is a trend and interest with device such as Chromebooks. Whilst they may not suit everybodies ICT taste or VCEIT needs, I also notice that we seem to have a doubling of what can be done online every two years. Four years ago we were just editing basic word docs, then came spreadsheets .. then more. I can see cracks starting to happen with our VCE IT subject that is firmly anchored in desktop solutions and like others on this list. We can expect more of this to happen over the next decade, just check out the horizon report:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.nmc.org/pdf/2013-horizon-report-k12.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.nmc.org/pdf/2013-horizon-report-k12.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">Regards Roland<br><br><b>Roland GESTHUIZEN</b><br><a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen" target="_blank">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><img border="0" width="551" height="153"><br><br>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><u></u><u></u> </div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;">On 27 Nov 2013, at 2:09 pm, Savage, John L <<a href="mailto:savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><br><br><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’m not too comfortable with the fit between<span> </span><a href="http://sites.google.com/" target="_blank"><span style="color: purple;">sites.google.com</span></a><span> </span>and CSS from a skills perspective. While an author can select attributes:values for tags, I’m not convinced that that demonstrates the skills to edit the html or a style sheet, or maybe I’m making it too difficult. As far as the key skills for AOS1 go “Sites” looks OK. But if I remember, this was discussed last year and online web-creation software was ruled out. Maybe Paula could clarify this.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Laurie Savage</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pascoe Vale Girls College</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div style="border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="color: purple;">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a><span> </span>[<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="color: purple;">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Van Der Westhuizen, Eugene Y<br><b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday, 26 November 2013 9:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Year 12 IT Apps] Web authoring software</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><a name="142a18868eca6029__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi,</span></a><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I am looking at the options for web authoring software to use in unit 1 and unit 3 next year and would like any feedback about using Google Sites. I’ve used Expression Web and DreamWeaver over the last couple of years but a number of students this year asked whether they could have used Google Sites. As far as I can see from the VCAA site the software needs to incorporate the following items:</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250);"><b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Web authoring software</span></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><ul type="square" style="margin-top: 0cm;"><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">cascading style sheet</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">edit and format content</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">links (relative and absolute links, internal and external links)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">navigation</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">buttons</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">screen layout</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">tagging (metadata tags, alt tags)</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">forms</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="background-color: rgb(246, 249, 250); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">incorporate images/sound</span><u></u><u></u></li></ul><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">As far as I can see from this list Google Sites would meet the requirements and want to offer this an another alternative. Has anyone gone down this path before? I’d appreciate any feedback.</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span><u></u><u></u> </div></div><div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><b><i><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(95, 73, 122);">Eugene Van der Westhuizen</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Gleneagles Secondary College</span></i><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Reema Boulevard</span></i><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Endeavour Hills, 3802</span></i><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">phone: 9708 1319</span></i><u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">fax: 9708 1324</span></i><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><p style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"> </p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div dir="ltr">--<div>Mark Kelly</div><div>mark AT vceit DOT com</div><div><a href="http://vceit.com/" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; background-color: rgb(253, 253, 255);"><font size="1">Day 19, I have successfully conditioned my master to smile and write in his book every time I drool.- Pavlov's Dog</font></span><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"></p><div style="margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px;"><b>Important -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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