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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, we used to have our own internet provider arrangements. Perhaps we’ve been spoilt…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the suggestion Brett. That sounds like an interesting dataset for a class activity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The issue is that (as I understand it) students need a whole range of datasets from which to choose the data that will solve the problem they’re given.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I can use my home internet connection to download a range of datasets tonight and place them on our school’s extranet tomorrow (listing the data source for each one) so that students can choose the data that they need. But that is not quite meeting the Key Criteria. And as Mark said, the good datasources, the ones which provide filter options so you can narrow your search, are not downloadable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Howard, David<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 18 July 2012 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Yr11 Information Technology] U2O1- suggestions for next task with slow internet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Don’t mean to gloat but…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img width=699 height=66 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CD64FF.C2574630"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au">yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Groves, Brett G<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 18 July 2012 3:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Yr11 Information Technology] U2O1- suggestions for next task with slow internet?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Esther,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The connection through Netspace is slow but not THAT slow, at least in our experience. I’d be getting the techs to have a good look at your router settings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Re offline data sets, one that you can get easy access to is the schools electricity account ring the power company and they will supply it in .csv form). The meters in schools monitor at 15 min intervals and send it off by a cellular data transponder attached to the power board. You can actually find out some quite interesting stuff with a decent visualisation…just a thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Brett Groves<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ICT Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Croydon Maroondah College <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Croydon Campus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au">yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 18 July 2012 2:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Yr11 Information Technology] U2O1- suggestions for next task with slow internet?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yes, the department gives us a 100Mbps pipeline, and our service provider gives us a trickle of data along it.<br>It's like being given a new 8 lane freeway and a mule to use on it. <br>We alleviate things by having an ADSL connection to a 'real' ISP for the techies to use for their BIG data transfers...<br><br>It's a shame that many of these good data sources can't be downloaded or even cached. <br>Maybe try to find a data source which you can store locally?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 18 July 2012 12:45, Esther Andrews <<a href="mailto:ANDREWS.Esther@bssc.edu.au" target="_blank">ANDREWS.Esther@bssc.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Our school joined the Department’s internet portal (terminology?) at the start of this year. I am finding it is too slow for students to do research. This Outcome 1 requires students to “select appropriate sources of data and identify relevant data”. Last year I gave them a list of websites that contained a range of datasets and asked them to select their data. Our web access is so slow I don’t think I can do that this year.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Has slow web access been an issue for any of you in government schools?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If so, how are you addressing this? Are you providing the students with the datasets?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(I really don’t want to do this, but the situation here is intolerable!!)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Esther</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - FAQ, resources, subscribe, unsubscribe<br>Year 11 It Mailing List kindly supported by<br><a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/infotechindex.html" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/infotechindex.html</a> - Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority<br><a href="http://www.vitta.org.au" target="_blank">http://www.vitta.org.au</a> - VITTA Victorian Information Technology Teachers Association Inc<br><a href="http://www.swinburne.edu.au/ict/schools" target="_blank">http://www.swinburne.edu.au/ict/schools</a> - Swinburne University<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Mark Kelly<br>Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning Area<br>McKinnon Secondary College<br>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>Direct line / Voicemail: <a href="tel:%2B613%208520%209085" target="_blank">+613 8520 9085</a>, Fax <a href="tel:%2B613%209578%209253" target="_blank">+613 9578 9253</a><br><a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a> << use this, not Edumail please!<br>VCE IT Lecture Notes: <a href="http://vceit.com" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a><br>Moderator: IT Applications Edulist<br><br>--<br>The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn - Alvin Toffler.<o:p></o:p></p><p><b>Important - </b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. 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