<div>I would only teach them a regular language that the students can see a use for eg <a href="http://vb.net">vb.net</a>&nbsp;or common scripting language like &nbsp;php which is very common on the net. </div>
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<div>This way you can build from scratch but I dont belive gamemaker or any add-on is really the way to go for VCE (as we are teaching IT students ).</div>
<div>VB.net has plenty of scope for games graphics play and php you can do web stuff and role play game with that.</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 2/24/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Roland Gesthuizen</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I am really keen to keep the girls motivated and engaged. Have used GameMaker, am also super keen to try out Python and am madly collecting resources, got some kids started off with Scratch and might bounce them off eToys. Am building up a nice collection of tutorials, games, videos and sample activities. Several girls are keen about Ren&#39;Py .. a similar program that uses python scripting for an Adventure Quest type interface. Without any prompting, some kids got excited about Alice (a cool 3D program using Python scripting that Dr Paul Chandler mentioned last year) .. I installed it on the base image and they took to it like ducks to water in their own time. Again, the scripting is Python based. Perhaps sadly for DEECD, none of my secondary students liked Kahootz.<br>
<br>Also consider exploring the VITTA resources such as the PHP-MySQL text book by Kevork and VBasic by Adrian.<br><br>Regard Roland<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 22/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Dr Paul Chandler</b> &lt;<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:paul.chandler@yvg.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">paul.chandler@yvg.vic.edu.au</a>&gt; wrote:</span> 
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">... and there&#39;s the add-on &quot;pygame&quot; for the those more inclined towards the gaming dimensions.</font></span></div><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 22, 2008 4:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 11 Information Technology Teachers&#39; Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Yr11 Information Technology] programming software<br></font><br>&nbsp;</div>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Game maker is fine for a scripting language, I spoke to someone at the PD who was going to get the yr11s to make a game for the primary school kids, the primary teachers would be the clients I suppose. I am going to use PHP.</span></font></p>

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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr11it-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Webster, Karen B<br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 22 February 2008 12:48 PM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:yr11it@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr11it@edulists.com.au</a><br>
<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [Yr11 Information Technology] programming software</span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></span></font></p></div>
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<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span lang="EN-AU" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span lang="EN-AU" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I am new to Edulists and teaching in a SC.&nbsp; I am trying to decide which way to go with programming and was wondering if anyone uses Game Maker.</span></font></p>

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<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span lang="EN-AU" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Karen Webster</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri" size="2"><span lang="EN-AU" style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Alexandra SC<i><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic"></span></i></span></font></p>
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