[vet-mm] tricky situation

Tue Apr 22 22:57:10 EST 2008

WOW! You have hit the nail on top of the head!!!

Yours truly,
Mario Y

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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Meadows, Roslyn M
Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 10:22 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] tricky situation

This issue infuriates me!!!

I would say some people have too much time on their hands.... and I
would say that it must have been an unflattering photo of the girl in
the background, if it made her look like Australia's next top model she
never would have complained to the parent, who then complained to the
school.

How do I know this? My daughter is 17 has lots of photos of her and her
friends on her myspace and facebook, the ONLY time they complain about a
photo of themselves being on someone else's page is when it is not a
flattering photo.

My daughter appears on other's pages, in photos that were taken at
school in uniforms, some of them she is NOT happy about "I am so ugly in
that pic"
Would I even dream of calling the school????  duh... I have better
things to do with my life...

As a parent I would say "message her and ask her to take the photo off
if you really don't want it there"

We cannot be accountable for every photo they take of each other and
post to facebook or myspace it is totally beyond our control.

Ban ban ban (phones, ipods, pda's cameras etc) block block block
(myspace, facebook, youtube etc) get real - this is what our kids live
with, THEY have to learn to deal with it. In their own time, in their
own way, we can't show them the way because this is something we never
experienced. It is up to them to set the boundaries, to speak up for
themselves, if they don't want a photo of them on someone's space, just
text or IM or email and ask politely "could you please take me out of
the photo".

This overprotective mother is soon going to find she has a socially
incompetent daughter if she doesn't butt out of her life and stop trying
to provide bandaids for everything that goes wrong in her daughter's
life.

Now I will turn around so you can all stab me in the back!!

Cheers
Ros

PS I have a facebook and have photos of me that other people have posted
that I am not happy with (some posted by my students) - big deal - the
camera never lies!!!

Roslyn Meadows
Head of ICT Implementation
Head of Assessment and Reporting
Bentleigh Secondary College 
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-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Greg Neil (Mr)
Sent: Tuesday, 22 April 2008 5:27 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] tricky situation

I would agree that the punishment seems to be a severe over-reaction,
assuming there are no other circumstances in influence.

As for being able to prevent it - simple answer is you cannot. Students
carry some many devices that have cameras now - phones, laptops, etc.
that it is impossible to monitor what photographs are taken where, and
how they are subsequently used.

What we did do was get a representative from the Victorian Police who
specialises in cyber stalking, pedophile tracking and social networking
sites and it's ills to come and talk about it with parents. The woman
that spoke to staff first, and then parents in a second session, was
very good, had some great insights into the problem and things to be
aware of, and didn't shy away from telling the parents that they had a
role to play in this as well.

We block access to face book, myspace. etc through the school intranet,
but know full well that we cannot (and I believe should not) control
what the students do outside school hours. Attempts to circumvent these
blocks can result in punishment, but once the student leaves the school
grounds, the school has no role in policing their behaviour.

In your case, a discussion regarding the responsibility of the student
with regards to the privacy of others, a warning about the dangers of
posting identifying information on social networks sites, and perhaps a
threat of punishment for a repeat offense would have been, to me a
least, a more appropriate response.

-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Jeanean Pritchard
Sent: Tue 4/22/2008 4:58 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: [vet-mm] tricky situation

Hello all,
I've just had a tricky situation arise here and I'm keen for your
opinions/thoughts or accounts of similar incidents.

During one of my multimedia classes, a student of mine took a
photograph of herself and one of her friends as part of a classroom
task. Later that evening in her own home, she placed it onto her own
facebook page. 

The controversy is that in the background of the photograph, there was
another student wearing his school uniform, logo clearly showing. That
student's parent got wind of the photo, and made a formal (and quite
vocal) complaint to our school.

As a result, my student (the photographer) was placed on a type of
school suspension, very close to being formally suspended from school.
She was also asked to remove the photograph from her site.

I agree this is an issue. I'm not really sure how it should be dealt
with, or what our legal obligations are to our parents or our students.
I understand why the parent was concerned, and I'm not sure how we can
police our students like this outside of school hours. How much of the
world can we really control? I was very disappointed about the
punishment given to my student. She would never intentionally hurt
anyone. She has a very near perfect behaviour record for the four years
she has been enrolled. She was mortified to be in such serious trouble.
She took her punishment without complaint. Thankfully my student also
had her mother's support. Her mother did not approach the school at all,
but did quietly confide in her daughter that she believed she had
intended no evil and not to worry about it.

I know that something must happen, and the school must find a place to
stand on this issue. In this case I believe a stern warning/talk would
have been more appropriate. My school is currently debating about this
issue, and trying to form some sort of policy. I'm interested to hear if
anything similar has happened to anyone else, or what
policies/procedures your schools have in place when an issue like this
arises.

Jeanean Pritchard
Highview College
jpritchard at highview.vic.edu.au 

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