[vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?
TJ
tony at star.melb.catholic.edu.au
Mon Apr 14 16:03:01 EST 2008
Rob,
Yes, it was said somewhat tongue in cheek ;-)
I don’t have a problem with what industry wants assessed.
When we 1st started teaching MM, having taught VCE IP&M now ITA with a Study
design for so long, the shift in preparing students for a VET VCE
end-of-year exam was never really clear. Nothing to lean on, no texts, no
web sites, little web/forum activity, etc ... only past papers. Yeah... my
students sat those disaster exams from a few years back and while I happily
admit the improvement made in the past few years by the VCAA, I’m also happy
to admit to trying to reflect upon my own teaching, sources for material,
exam preparation, etc, and still, I believe a Training Package is more than
capable of assessing students (in a VET sense) but never really definitive
enough for VCE (VCAA) end-of-year exams. That’s why so many people sought
advice on scripting... and to this day, there are teachers who are nervous
about this area, and other teachers who may not be as strong in other areas.
I find teaching MM fun and exciting but also curiously frustrating in a good
way.
The ITA/IP&M study designs and software advice (that I was used to) always
gave you minimum expectations for software use with databases, spreadsheets,
web design, etc. Nothing like this exists in a Training Package and nor
should it. Training Packages allow students and teachers the ability to
explore, investigate and discover with great breadth and scope with room to
tailor a curriculum towards various interests and needs. Compressed into a
VCE timeline, that’s not necessarily always the case and that’s partially
what I worry about with the new TP that seems like it’s too big for a VCE
timeline.
That’s all. J
Cheers,
TJ
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Robert Ware
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 2:50 PM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
Subject: RE: RE: [vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?
lol ... Tony ...
"we could have our own study design and remove the relative "vagueness" of a
Training Package that keeps us guessing every year come exam time"
The training package is quite clear in what it requires industry
practitioners to assess.
Email me if you have a problem.
Regards,
Rob
Rob Ware
Coordinator
Multimedia
Goulburn Ovens Institute of TAFE - Wangaratta Campus
(03) 5723 6183
>>> tony at star.melb.catholic.edu.au 14/04/2008 1:24 pm >>>
My 2 cents worth....
>From what I can see, the new Training Package is too large for us to teach
at VCE level.
Nominal hours for units (currently being debated/organised) seem like they
will far exceed
what we are used to now. Whatever happens with the Training Package, the
VCAA still needs
to place their "rubber stamp" on it in terms of what is an acceptable course
at VCE level
and it may just be that units covered will only form part of a new
Certificate (not a complete one).
This then poses issues for pathways for students. I would like to think that
the VCAA would
also consider the possibility of a VCE (no VET) Multimedia subject where
(ahem) "we" could have
our own study design and remove the relative "vagueness" of a Training
Package that keeps us
guessing every year come exam time.
Cheers,
TJ
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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of claire
Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 1:03 PM
To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
Subject: Re: RE: [vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?
Hi Brian,
As yet the details of new training package have not been published so it is
difficult to discuss.
I think the biggest issue will be confusion between the 2 names of these
offerings..
The training package Film, TV, Radio and Multimedia will be called "Screen
and Media", which sounds very like VCE Media Studies. This will be a problem
as students and parents will have difficulty distinguishing the two.
There has been a precedent for calling the VET in schools program a slightly
different name to that of the official TP name, so it may be that it is
possible to avoid confusion in the naming. At one stage, I think we heard
that the Cert 2 was called "Intera! ctive Digital Media" but not sure of
details. Would that name be su fficient to distinguish it from VCE Media?
The actual content of the new MM certs is as yet unknown, but I'm sure the
units of competency will be similar to what currently exists and certainly
not overlap the VCE Media, anymore than it might do now?? I think the skills
and advantages offered by VET MM or whatever it will be called certainly
warrant it being offered alongside VCE Media. In fact, students could really
benefit from doing both, as if they do Vis Comm and IT along with VET MM.
They are complementary subjects not alternatives, in my opinion!
It's difficult with tight school deadlines, but if possible wait for some
VCAA decisions before making yours.
Regards
Claire Bloom
Warrandyte High
> Brian Pearce <BPearce at clc.vic.edu.au> wrote:
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> Does anyone else think it will be difficult to justify running the new
> VET Media Certificate and the VCE Media ! studies course at the same
> school ?
>
> >From the info I've seen it seems it will be difficult to distinguish
> them apart, unless the teacher has control over which of the possible
> UOCs are offered and chooses to make it as different as possible.
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> Brian Pearce
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> CLC
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> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of ARNOTT Suz
> Sent: Monday, 14 April 2008 10:12 AM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: [vet-mm] changes to training package - any more info?
>
>
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> After the discussions when the changes came out I have to say I looked
> through the links
>
> http://www.ibsa.org.au/downloads/CUF07_v1_mapping_s
<http://www.ibsa.org.au/downloads/CUF07_v1_ma!%0d%0a%20pping_summary.pdf>
ummary.pdf
>
> and was waiting to hear which units were likely to be included in the
> VET in schools units....
>
> Well today I got a flyer from edsonic with support materials, and the
> list of units....
>
> Which are definitely reflecting the screen and media. This is all great,
> however, I would love to know what will be expected of us, as the focus
> of the course has changed so much....the students who will be attracted
> to this course are totally different.
>
> Has anyone heard more information?
>
>
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> Suzanne Arnott
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> ICT Staff Support
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> Photography and Multimedia Coordinator
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> Elisabeth Murdoch College
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> Langwarrin
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