[vet-mm] Examiners Report 06
Helmy, John
jhelmy at mazenod.vic.edu.au
Mon Jul 16 16:18:49 EST 2007
To me the scripting issue seems largely about how it is assessed. I
think some teachers were happier with the assessment of scripting in the
2005 exam? It seems more reasonable to expect students to write pseudo
code than actual code. I haven't taught information systems, but I have
been told that this is the way programming is assessed in that subject.
The reason being that these questions have proved too difficult for
students in the past. We seem to be discovering this problem too.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Ellis [mailto:ellis.christopher.l at edumail.vic.gov.au]
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2007 2:38 PM
To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Examiners Report 06
I attended a VCE/VET Scored assessment briefing a few years ago, and I
suspect that VCAA doesn't really want to know. There was a very heated
debate about why VCAA couldn't offer more useful materials to support
the
examination - for eg the scope of things that were examinable.
The circular argument adopted by VCAA was that VET is not the
repsonsibility
of VCAA (true) so we couldn't possibly offer advice on the exam (even
though
the exam is an artificial construct imposed on top of a competency-based
certificate by VCAA!). And so the argument went round and round until
the
convenor called a halt before fisticuffs ensued.
I gather the illogicality of situation hasn't changed in the intervening
three years!
Cheers
Chris Ellis
Lorne-Aireys Inlet P-12 College
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On Behalf Of Paul Conway
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2007 2:20 PM
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Good point John,
Though I think more detail needs to be gained before laying
responsibility.
What needs to be changed, the exam or Cert III.
That is the basis of my last list entry..
If it is only the exam, and it does not have to be Cert III compliant,
then
pursue the VCAA.
If it is the Cert III, then you are chasing a red herring, the VCAA only
abide by it as do all stakeholders, including examiners...
If the Cert. III is aimed too high for VET, then I think the VCAA will
have
little power to change it.
Yes giving feedback, sharing knowledge etc is a must a more people
should
join in.... PixelEd, the list, etc have done a fantastic job in
supporting
the VET MM Community as a whole.
My comment about wasting time was not directed at the list or PixelEd or
the
discussions concerning the exam, my apologies if it seems so,.... it
focuses
on the above issue only, as it seems to be an issue that is stopping any
further progress.
My previous queries, I still think, need to be answered before knowing
where
the solution lies..... Given the ongoing comments that the VCAA can, if
it
chose to, alter the scripting component of the exam.... does any one
know if
they have the power to do so....has anyone formally asked?....is the
VCAA
bound like all other stakeholders in the Cert III, to strictly abide by
the
competencies as is, even to the extent to be an audit issue, controlled
by
government regulations?.
I know that letters have been sent re exam discussions, but I am not
sure
whether they have put these queries directly and corresponding answers
given.
Or am I barking up the wrong tree???
Regards
Paul Conway
Academic Director
Institute for Design Entertainment and the Arts Limited
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On Behalf Of Mr John Parlas
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2007 11:58 AM
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Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Examiners Report 06
Paul, as mentioned in the VCE VET Multimedia Program booklet, to be
eligible
for a study score, amongst other things, students "must undertake an
examination in the November examination period, based on the
underpinning
knowledge and skills in the units of competence advised by the VCAA."
Clearly, the exam is driven by the VCAA. Is it so unreasonable that
teachers
provide feedback to the authority on the quality of the examination
questions?
We need more teachers contributing to the discussion not less.
Regards
John
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[mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of paul conway
Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2007 12:58 PM
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Given the ongoing comments that the VCAA can, if it chose to, alter the
scripting component of the exam so to take into account that ' the
questions
are pitched too high for year 12 students.'.... does any one know if
they
have the power to do so....has anyone formally asked?....is the VCAA
bound
like all other stakeholders in the Cert III, to strictly abide by the
competencies as is, even to the extent to be an audit issue, controlled
by
government regulations?...
If the exam is not directly a product of the Cert III, then you are
correct
in pursing the VCAA, but if it is, then you probably have been wasting a
lot
of time in trying to make them change what they can't change.
Regards
Paul Conway
Academic Director
Institute for Design Entertainment and the Arts Limited Level 2, 190
Queens
Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia
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Spot on Sue. As mentioned last year, not even the old Systems course
required scripting responses that the Multimedia exam wanted. VCAA must
be
more prescriptive as to the degree to which scripting is taught for
their
purposes.
Regards
John
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From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Susan Bell
Sent: Thu 7/12/2007 5:28 PM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au; claire at warrandytehigh.vic.edu.au
Subject: Re: [vet-mm] Examiners Report 06
Its not surprising that scripting is still a grey area. Like I've said
many
times, the questions are pitched too high for year 12 students. If
scripting
questions are to be included then VCAA need to consider that their TAFE
training package cannot be delivered to the depth required on a year 12
exam. You'd think they'd have understood this by now.
Regards, Sue
>>> claire at warrandytehigh.vic.edu.au 07/12/07 9:26 AM >>>
Hi folks,
Report has just been posted
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vet/programs/multimedia/assessreports/2006/mu
ltim
edia_assessrep_06.pdf
Just a quick look-it seems we still aren't teaching scripting very well,
although write content and copy is improving!!
Love to hear people's comments!
Claire Bloom
Warrandyte High
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