[vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
Kevork Krozian
kevork at edulists.com.au
Thu Apr 21 23:29:22 EST 2005
Hi Roslyn,
Your suggestions are great. Both have been implemented.
1. The welcome message for each new subscription has been modified outlining
the format of brief acceptable infomercials along with the general
rules/netiquette of using these lists.
2. On the home page at www.edulists.com.au under the menu item "Using the
Lists" , "netiquette", the outline of the welcome message is repeated with
these rules reiterated with an example of a brief acceptable infomercial.
Best wishes and thanks
Kevork Krozian
Mailing List Creator and Administrator
kevork at edulists.com.au
www.edulists.com.au
Tel: 0419 356 034
----- Original Message -----
From: "Meadows, Roslyn M" <Meadows.Roslyn.M at edumail.vic.gov.au>
Newsgroups: local.it.vet-mm
To: "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List" <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
Why thank you Mr. Krozian! *smile*
Perhaps you could put a line or two about how to compose/present educational
infomercials (brief, containing link for further info) for when people sign
up to the edulists. Just a thought which may prevent people getting annoyed
about this sort of thing in the future. Also maybe a note that tells others
that they may receive infomercials if they sign up to be on the lists.
Personally I think the more information/resources we have the better -
whether they are free or fee based.
Roslyn Meadows
TONS
Bentleigh SC
________________________________
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Thu 21/04/2005 12:43 PM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
Hi Roslyn,
We all know we can't please everybody all the time and to maintain a
sense of community we need to exercise patience and tolerance.
I thank you for your balanced and common sense approach. It is valued
immensely and appreciated.
Best Wishes
Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
Mailing List(s) Creator and Administrator
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034
>>> Meadows.Roslyn.M at edumail.vic.gov.au 04/21/05 11:51am >>>
Surely it takes less time to hit DELETE than to compose an email outlining
why certain 'infomercials' should not be allowed on the list.
Personally I find infomercials informative, and would never deny their
existence, if they are irrelevant to me then I hit DELETE. If the email is a
long one like the Tootega one, then I quickly scroll down to get the gist of
the message.
I really cannot see what all the fuss is about.
But perhaps next time Tootega and others like them could compose a much
shorter email containing a link to a website outlining in more detail what
they have to offer. Those with more interest and/or time could click the
link. Surely that could not offend or upset anyone.
Roslyn Meadows
Bentleigh SC
________________________________
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au on behalf of Lawson, Margaret
Sent: Thu 21/04/2005 10:00 AM
To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
Roland
I agree! The last thing they want is a public scathing when all they are
trying to do is let us know what they are offering.
Often a private email sent to them is more affective than being chastised
like a child in one of your classes.
For the record, I attended Ivy's presentation at the VITTA conference last
year and it was informative and professional. The notes that she produced
for everyone went well beyond the call of "presenter duty" and were very
comprehensive.
Regards
Margaret
-----Original Message-----
From: Roland Gesthuizen [mailto:rge at westallsc.vic.edu.au]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2005 9:51 AM
To: 'VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
I think it does these commercial groups and partners proud that they slog
through all the e-mails we churn out on these lists, turn up to all those
conference trade stands, grind away at all those phone calls and keep up a
brave face listening to all our gripes.
Of course, marketing has a two edged blade as Kevork pointed out so well.
Regards Roland
--
Roland Gesthuizen - eLearning Coordinator - Westall Secondary College
http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au
-----Original Message-----
From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2005 9:34 AM
To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
Subject: [vet-mm] Re: Sincere Apologies From Tootega -- from Kevork
Hi Folks,
I just want to thank Ivy for the email outlining her regret in the way
her original post was received. Also her commitment to not send emails in
that particular format , in future to this forum, .
We all agree we don't want blatant advertising on these lists , yet short
informative messages related to supporting teachers in the classroom should
be available.
The "pulse" of the majority of subscribers to these lists will determine
if information sent to these lists crosses the line of what is acceptable or
not.
Let's all support each other as we move ahead.
My best wishes to all of you
Kevork Krozian
IT Manager , Forest Hill College
Mailing List(s) Creator and Administrator
k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
Mobile: 0419 356 034
>>> "Ivy Siew" <ivy at tootega.com.au> 04/20/05 09:14pm >>>
Dear members,
I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to all those who have
expressed concern and may be offended by my previous email announcing my
organization. It was never my intention to offend anyone and definitely not
my intention to cause any of the concerns which have been expressed by some
members of this group. I completely understand all comments and concerns
made so far and therefore felt that it is my responsibility to send this
email to apologize.
My intention was genuine and was mainly intended to inform all of you of
this new organization. I'm extremely passionate about this organization and
most importantly about creative use of technologies in schools. I was
simply using this opportunity to inform all of you that my organization can
help teachers and is available to schools as an added resource that they can
utilize.
I do understand that the discussion list is not an area for advertising and
I apologize to those members who felt that I crossed the line. My incentive
to join this list was to learn and understand the types of discussions that
are ongoing and the challenges that teachers may be facing. More recently,
I was simply observing all the emails of people writing recommendations for
trainers, therefore I thought, may be I'll just let everyone know about what
we do. The last thing I wanted is to cause the credibility of this list to
be jeopardized.
Please accept my sincere apologies. I will refrain from informing in this
format in the future.
I'll be glad to receive any comments or feedback that you may like to
express to me personally at ivy at tootega.com.au.
Sincerely,
Ivy Siew
Director / Education IT Integrator
Tootega Creative Learning
Tel: 03 9551 8653 / (Int) +61 3 9551 8653
Mob: 0416 110 738 / (Int) +61 416 110 738
Fax: 03 9551 2286
ABN 89 748 439 415
Visit our website at <http://www.tootega.com.au> www.tootega.com.au
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