[vet-mm] Announcements, infomercials and advertising --from Kevork

Rachelle McLean rlmclean at bigpond.net.au
Wed Apr 20 17:20:41 EST 2005

Hey Jacqui,

Sounds great.  How much did he cost?

On the advertising thing, I really dislike wading through 
infomercials/advertising, etc in my email.  We have had some on here from 
other PD suppliers before that I was not that thrilled about, but Ivy was 
threatening to do this on a very regular basis which I found offensive.  If 
she wants to regularly advertise to me, then do it like every other company 
does and send me info through my school or put up a display at the VITTA 
conference.  I agree with Sue that the content of her PD wasn't really what 
the majority of us would be after.  If we sit passively by and allow 
advertisers to pump their muck into this wonderful forum then it will get so 
clogged that none of us will have time or the energy to search through and 
find the worthwhile emails, eg mail from our colleagues that we signed up 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hewitt, Jacqueline R" <hewitt.jacqueline.r at edumail.vic.gov.au>
To: "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List" <vet-mm at edulists.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Announcements,infomercials and advertising --from 

> Multimedia list-On the note of announcements of good speakers (who relate 
> well to students)I hired Peter Green from MacAdvice ph96545800 today for 
> training in Photoshop. He entertained and skilled my year 12 class (put in 
> heaps of revision re resolution/file formats/color management etc)and year 
> 11 (gave them lots of extra skills/advice/tricks)vet multimedia. He 
> started at 10.30 and finished at 3.00 with a break for lunch. The students 
> thought he was fantastic - found him inspirational. I would certainly 
> repeat this lecture in future. Cheers Jacqui Hewitt Bayside.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au]On Behalf Of Kevork Krozian
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2005 3:52 PM
> To: vet-mm at edulists.com.au
> Subject: RE: [vet-mm] Announcements, infomercials and advertising --from
> Kevork
> Hi Folks,
>  As always , I can 't help but feel I should at least let subscribers know 
> that as Administrator/moderator I am here and following this and other 
> threads with much interest.
>   Many of us feel strongly about this discussion in one or other 
> direction - namely hard limits for some ( no "infomercials " ) and and 
> others have softer limits on this issue ( limited infomercials ),
>  All information that has the purpose of "informing , questioning and 
> clarifying"  is welcome as long as it is relevant to what we do in the 
> classroom, in schools , in our PD and the courses we teach and LEARN in 
> order to teach.
>  I would be worried if we got a stream of announcements from one source, 
> about one or other product.
> But,  as educators we need to be up to date with what is happening . 
> Surely, we are professional enough to make our own decisions with support 
> from our colleagues.
>  This list is open to all teachers, students, educators, lecturers, 
> industry representatives as well as any others interested in advancing the 
> knowledge and resources we have access to for the best possible outcomes 
> for our students and the professional growth and development of teachers 
> seeking those goals.
>  We can take it or leave it. We don't want blatant advertising or a 
> message that starts off with " ... here is something for your classroom 
> teaching and by the way we also offer the following 39 other services , 
> please ring , email so I can run through them for you ". The latter is 
> canvassing for business which is not the purpose of these lists.
>   Here are examples of infomercials that are , in my view , suitable for 
> the lists :
>   1. TAFE XYZ is running a course on a software product known to be used 
> by teachers on a list. The cost, time and other details are circulated. 
> Take it or leave it.
>   2. Company ZYX, ABN 1233213213, ACN 23413243214 is running a course for 
> flash, director, actionscript etc etc at location X , at a cost Y and 
> there are specials for groups and subject associations. Take it or leave 
> it.
>   3. Company YZX has books for sale relevant to some or other course 
> relevant to the list. Details , prices, specials supplied. Take it or 
> leave it.
>  I would be concerned if there were repetitions of these infomercials, yet 
> I do want people to seek out these suppliers if it suits their needs ( 
> that means reminders can be sent if requested ) .
> I would be equally concerned if we just never saw some information because 
> it was a commercial organisation supplying the service. Have we not had 
> ample precedence of companies providing PDs ?
> What I would not like is a block or obstacle to obtaining information 
> because of a narrow definition of the role of these lists eg. only 
> teachers talking to teachers ( or even worse , only current teachers of 
> the subject allowed to post to the list ??).
> How does that align with the spirit of VET which is workplace training and 
> readiness which has a work experience component and is to prepare for 
> industry and the workplace ??
>   Finally these lists have to work for the majority if they are to 
> survive. The views above are mine as I have wished the lists to develop 
> and grow. No one "owns" these lists -- we are all stakeholders --  and I 
> hope these thoughts align with the majority.
> If you feel deeply aggrieved or upset by this direction you can write to 
> me either by replying to this email directly or to kevork at edulsits.com.au
> Best Wishes to all of you
> Kevork Krozian
> IT Manager , Forest Hill College
> Mailing List(s) Creator and Administrator
> k.krozian at fhc.vic.edu.au
> Mobile: 0419 356 034
>>>> paul at ideaonline.com.au 04/20/05 12:53pm >>>
> Hi All,
> I tend to think that the list should not be a service for advertising 
> products directly....
> Sure list members can tout them but I don't see the point in letting 
> direct advertising by companies that are only adding to the list for 
> commercial gain.
> This can be a fine point to argue and as such I take the view all or none, 
> either let it in or don't. Who is to decide 'limited' ???
> I'm already bombarded with enough "limited" infomercials already.
> I joined the list to discussed issues with my peers only and not to 
> receive "limited" infomercials.
> Lastly, as this is the "VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List"',  I would 
> take it is up to the association's leadership to make a ruling and that 
> Kevork's own opinion in this matter (be it by a third party) is not 
> relevant.
> Cheers
> Paul
> At 09:29 PM 19/04/2005, you wrote:
> Hi Rachelle
> I think that you will find that Kevork will defend Tootega's right to 
> "limited" infomercials.
> I see vendors as an integral part of the education community.
> Information pertaining to "new" services should not be shunned but 
> welcomed in this "open, public" forum.
> As Ivy stated in her email, Tootega  "*was established to provide 
> assistance to schools" and "Our organization has been formed to 
> specifically assist teachers across all KLAs."
> I can't see anything wrong with that.
> Clarke Stevenson
> Higher Learning Pty Ltd
> Clarke Stevenson
> Ph 03 9846 5602
> Fax 03 9846 5702
> Mob 0418 166 090
> higherlearning at bigpond.com
> Representing:
> Aries Technology Pty Ltd www.aries.net
> eduKate Technologies Pty Ltd www.eduKate.com
> BroadLEARN www.mediasphere.com.au
> From: vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au 
> [mailto:vet-mm-bounces at edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Rachelle McLean
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 7:05 PM
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [vet-mm] Annoucements - Introducing Tootega Creative Learning
> Hi Ivy,
> I'm not the advertising police of our Multimedia Teacher's mailing list 
> but I'd like to express my dislike of advertising through the list.  The 
> list is not for this purpose which is explained to every user when they 
> sign up.  If you wish to advertise to Multimedia Teachers then you need to 
> mail to schools directly, or put advertisments in our association, 
> PixelEd's newsletter or put up a display at functions.
> I was very concerned about your stated intentions to continue to advertise 
> through the list.  If you ever put another email on the list for 
> advertising purposes I shall ask the web master of the lists to remove 
> your access.
> Regards,
> Rachelle
> Offended multimedia teacher ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivy Siew 
> To: VET Multimedia Teachers' Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 
> 4:37 PM Subject: [vet-mm] Annoucements - Introducing Tootega Creative 
> Learning
> Dear VET Multimedia Members,  As a member of this mailing list, I'm 
> thrilled to continuously receive emails and announcements.  It is also 
> exciting for me to be part of a community that is extremely enthusiastic 
> in the use of multimedia in the classroom.  After being part of this 
> mailing list for a while, I just wanted to inform you of a recently 
> established organization.  Let me introduce you to Tootega Creative 
> Learning, an organization established to provide assistance to schools in 
> the integration of technologies in the classroom.  As the founder of this 
> organization, I've been fortunate to have worked with various schools in 
> the past, and thanks to their feedback and suggestions, Tootega Creative 
> Learning has been formed to do its best to cater to the needs of schools 
> across Australia.   I would hope that by introducing this organization 
> through this mailing list, I've provided you with an extra avenue to seek 
> for assistance on any aspects of ICT in Education.  Our org!
> anization has been formed to specifically assist teachers across all KLAs. 
> We are always open to receive any feedback and suggestions on how we can 
> further improve our services to suit educators across Australia.  I've 
> been working with schools for the past five years in various areas, and 
> most recently showing teachers how to best incorporate Video Projects and 
> Multimedia as small units of work in the classroom (All KLA).  Some of you 
> may have attended my presentations at VITTA conference 2004 'Camera, 
> Action, Cut!'.  I don't believe in using technologies for the sake of 
> using it, but realize that to use it effectively, it can be time consuming 
> to just learn about the tools.  Therefore, all the courses and materials 
> have been designed such that staff will learn relevant skills efficiently 
> and receive ideas on the most effective ways to apply use in the 
> classroom.   We provide various different services ranging from Curriculum 
> Development through to In-House Training for y!
> our teaching staff members.  If you would like to learn more about our
> services, please don't hesitate to visit our website at 
> www.tootega.com.au. There are details of a SPECIAL OFFERING for members of 
> this group further below this email.  For your convenience, below are some 
> examples of courses we provide.  We offer very affordable rates and also 
> the flexibility for your school to set the schedule to suit your staff. 
> Any of the courses below can be customized further.  Our outlines are only 
> set as general guides for you but NOT SET IN STONE!  We can make any 
> changes to suit you!              Prices Range from $500 to $1000 per day 
> with a maximum allowable number of 10 attendees (average of $50 to $100 
> per person per day)
> Courses
> Animation with Macromedia Flash ·          Discover simple functionalities 
> of flash ·          Examples of activities which you can use in your 
> classroom ·          Drawing tools ·          Concepts of animations 
> Camera, Action Cut! Video Editing using Pinnacle Studio ·          Using 
> video as learning tools ·          Discovering video editing skills · 
> Tips on planning and filming ·          Storyboarding Student Digital 
> Portfolios with Microsoft FrontPage ·          Developing Templates for 
> your students ·          Tips on Planning and Assessments ·          Using 
> FrontPage to create the Portfolio ·          How to make it Live on the 
> World Wide Web ·          Tips on Design and Layouts · 
> Suggestions on Contents Student Digital Portfolios with Macromedia 
> Dreamweaver ·          Developing Templates for your students · 
> Tips on Planning and Assessments ·          Using FrontPage to create the 
> Portfolio ·          How to make it Live on the World Wid!
> e Web ·          Tips on Design and Layouts ·          Suggestions on 
> Contents Creating Interactive Worksheets with Microsoft Word · 
> Discover Word Tools and functionalities ·          Discover activities 
> which you can use in your classroom ·          Transforming paper teaching 
> materials to electronic format Creating Interactive Worksheets with 
> Microsoft Excel ·          Discover Excel Tools and functionalities · 
> Discover activities which you can use in your classroom · 
> Transforming paper teaching materials to electronic format Creating 
> Interactive Worksheets with Microsoft Power Point ·          Discover 
> Power Point Tools and functionalities ·          Discover activities which 
> you can use in your classroom ·          Creating Interactive and Animated 
> Presentations Getting to know your Windows Environment (95 to XP) · 
> Learning the ins and outs of Windows ·          Cleaning your Windows · 
> Changing Display and colors ·          C!
> hanging screen resolutions ·          Dos and Don'ts Magic Tricks with
> Photos using Paint Shop Pro 8 ·          Enhancing digital photos · 
> Importing digital photos from scanner, camera, etc. ·          Exporting 
> digital photos to internet or email ·          Discover activities to be 
> used in the classrooms ·          Using tools to fix imperfections · 
> Learn about resolutions, pixels and colors Organizing your Files and 
> Folders in Windows Environment (95 to XP) ·          House Keeping of 
> files ·          How to best organize your classroom folders · 
> Learning how to use Windows Explorer to its full potential · 
> Changing view options in Windows Explorer ·          File extensions * 
> What do they mean ·          How to best optimize your Hard drive · 
> Difference between recoverable deleted files and unrecoverable deleted 
> files
> Special Offering!
> I strongly believe that teachers often need extra time after a PD session 
> to learn of ways they can apply their skills in their classroom.  To 
> encourage schools to release staff for further development, I would like 
> to offer your school the following:
> Receive an additional free 2-hour session with any full day In-house PD 
> booking made with Tootega Creative Learning!
> Your staff will have the opportunity to utilize this free time to develop 
> materials and generate ideas on best practices using the tools they've 
> just learned with our help.  We are happy to travel to your school at a 
> time set by the school.  More importantly, it is FREE!  If you would like 
> to receive pricing information for any of the courses above, please email 
> us at info at tootega.com.au with indication of courses and time you're 
> interested.  Also, please don't forget to include your contact details. 
> I would also like to request for the opportunity to visit you and your 
> school.  I am always excited to learn more about different schools and 
> discover creative ways that ICT is being incorporated in the classrooms. 
> I'm also happy to offer any suggestions and further discussions on how we 
> can assist your school.  Please don't hesitate to email me to set up a 
> suitable time for a FREE visit.  Thanks again for your patience and time 
> to read this email.  I look forward to many m!
> ore announcements and ideas through this 
> oup.   ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> Visit our website at www.tootega.com.au today for information and upcoming 
> events ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> Regards,  Ivy Siew Director / Education IT Integrator Tootega Creative 
> Learning Tel: 03 9551 8653 / (Int) +61 3 9551 8653 Mob: 0416 110 738 / 
> (Int) +61 416 110 738 Fax: 03 9551 2286 ABN 89 748 439 415 Visit our 
> website at www.tootega.com.au 
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