Thanks everybody .. much clearer now!<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 14/03/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Robert Hind</b> <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial">Class does not mean "form group" in MarkBook.
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<div><font face="Arial">You cannot "create ten subjects for each class".
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<div><font face="Arial">MarkBook, and I also assume QuickVic, allows you to create
subjects and then classes for each of the subjects. So you might have a subject
called 07MA1 for all year 7 Maths classes in Semester 1 and then have
classes called 07MA1A, 07MA1B, etc</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">So be clear what you mean - well what MarkBook
means!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Else you will be in deep doo-doo</font></div><span class="q">
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<div><font face="Arial">Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<br>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood<br></font></div>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="vels@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:vels@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:34
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Reporting Administrative Timeline</div>
<div><br></div><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Yes you must differentiate between subjects and
classes. Even if you make one subject for each class. Subjects control the
formatting and titles on printed reports. So Junior Maths may have ten classes
but one subject. Their reports will all be the same. You could however create
ten subjects for each class. The top row in quick set up where you confgure
report layout is according to my understanding controlled by
subjects.<br>RB<br>Thomastown<br><br><br>On 14/3/07 3:40 PM, "Robert Hind"
<<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></span></font>
<blockquote><span style="font-size: 12px;"><font face="Arial">You do need to
differentiate between <b><u>subjects</u></b> and <b><u>classes</u></b>.
<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font face="Arial">You can set up <b><u>subjects</u></b> such as 07EN1 for year 7
English semester 1 and have many <b><u>classes</u></b> for that subject, eg
07EN1A, 07EN1B, 07EN1C, 07EN1D, etc.<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font face="Arial">Robert Hind
(Semi-retired)<br>Ex Traralgon and Ashwood<br></font></span>
<blockquote><span style="font-size: 12px;"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br>----- Original Message -----
<br> <br><b>From:</b> Laurie Savage <a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au></a>
<br> <br><b>To:</b> 'Victorian Essential Learning
Standards' <a href="mailto:vels@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><mailto:vels@edulists.com.au></a>
<br> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:37
AM<br> <br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [VELS] Quick Vic/Markbook
Reporting Administrative
Timeline<br> <br><br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">The relationship between subjects to classes is
one-to-many, and one-to-many between teachers and classes. You need
to be able to identify classes uniquely. We have at least 10 form
groups per academic year! <br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br>
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</font><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vels-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roland Gesthuizen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13
March 2007 10:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Victorian Essential Learning
Standards<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [VELS] Quick Vic/Markbook Reporting
Administrative Timeline<br><b>Importance:</b> High<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br>Quick one Laurie .. do you
really need the 07A 07B 07C bits when 07 will do? From what I
understand the software sorts out classes / students by teachers for
marking anyway and again into students for reports. I suspect that
Markbook exports course codes .. not class codes (or are these the
same things). <br><br>Thanks for the cue about the last digit .. notice
that the software rolls on a digit for semesters etc so I will add
that in for semester length courses.<br><br> <br></font></span>
<blockquote><span style="font-size: 12px;"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Course Classes<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font>
<font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">================</font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">07ENGT1 07AEENGT1,
07BENGT1, 07CENGT1 ...<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">10SCIT4 10ASCIT4, 10BSCIT4
etc<br></font></font></span></blockquote><span style="font-size: 12px;"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br>Regards
Roland<br><br><br> <br>On 13/03/07, <b>Laurie Savage</b>
<<a href="mailto:sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sav@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote: <br></font></span>
<blockquote><span style="font-size: 12px;"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Hi Roland:<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br>
<br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Can I suggest you apply even more
detail in the subject naming and set up a reporting period
discriminator as the last 1 or 2 characters in your courses'
i.d.s. If you are using Markbook it will be much easier to select
and lock down reporting periods if you do
that.<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Here are a couple of
examples<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Course
Classes<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">================<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font color="#0000ff">
<font face="Arial">07ENGT1 07AEENGT1, 07BENGT1, 07CENGT1
...<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">10SCIT4 10ASCIT4, 10BSCIT4
etc<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">If you use a system like this then
you can do a search for *T4 in the Open/Close subjects
panel.<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Are we having fun
yet?<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br></font><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Cheers, Laurie<br></font></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br>
<hr align="center" size="3" width="100%">
</font><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">vels-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:vels-bounces@edulists.com.au%5D" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roland Gesthuizen<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 10
March 2007 10:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> Victorian Essential Learning
Standards<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [VELS] Quick Vic/Markbook
Reporting Administrative Timeline<br><b>Importance:</b>
High<br></font><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><br> <br> <br>Not so sure
about timeline, but at this point I am sorting out the FirstClass
database before we start our import of teachers, students and
classes. <br><br>I have been encouraging some extra rigor in our
student enrollments, and sorting out all the class codes (you must
get these right) We changed from generic names such as "English",
"Maths" and "sem2ceramics10" to 07eng, 08mat and 10arcer2 ..
details are in the manual / handbook. <br><br>Hope to finish it
all this week so I can start work on our interim report template.
Thank goodness it is only a single page template and 500
printouts. At least it sets things up for the mid-year
reports.<br><br>Regards Roland <br><br> <br>On 10/03/07,
<b><a href="mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au</a> <a href="mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au></a>
</b>< <a href="mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au</a> <a href="mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<mailto:kgration@myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au></a>
> wrote: <br></font></span>
<blockquote><span style="font-size: 12px;"><font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Hi there everyone in VELS
land,<br><br>We are runnning Quick Vic @ our school (as many
are) for the first time this<br>year and was wondering if anyone
had any timelines to share from previous year/s<br>with regard
to the practical use of this package (or Markbook) in their
school. <br>What I am chasing is detail with regard to
reasonable deadlines for staff, for<br>myself as the Quick Vic
administrator etc. A basic word doc. would do just
fine.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Kim<br><br>---<br>Kim Gration<br>ICT
Manager<br>Myrtleford Secondary College<br><a href="http://www.myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.myrtlefordsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>_______________________________________________
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