[Systems Engineering Teachers' Mailing List] syseng Digest, Vol 159, Issue 1
Brendan D'Arcy
B.DArcy at kardinia.vic.edu.au
Thu Dec 5 02:22:29 UTC 2019
HI Ken,
Was that the circuit layout question? That was a doozy. I think the layout tracks shown were part of the bridge rectifier circuit.
But from there, there are multiple ways of completing this solution. I guess for 11 marks, they need 11 connections and component legs, etc.
I wouldn't want to be the people marking this exam at all! Nightmare.
Interestingly enough, that question in the exam about the 200m long extension lead, was highly similar to a question in the VCE Physics exam.
Just saying....
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VCAA Systems Exam: Has any one worked out the answers to Section B Question 3?
I've got a lot of experience in electronics but I'm still trying to work this one out.
It will be very interesting to read the Examiner's Report for this Question.
Ken Bell
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VCAA Systems Exam: Has any one worked out the answers to Section B Question 3?
I've got a lot of experience in electronics but I'm still trying to work this one out.
It will be very interesting to read the Examiner's Report for this Question.
Ken Bell
Mortlake College
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Here's what I think.
· The exam was far too difficult in the electronics. (In particular, the calculation of total resistance and capacitance question sin section A)
· Not a good balance between electronic/electrical and mechanical principles. Too much electronics/electrical principles.
· I've got a lot of experience teaching electronics but
· In section B: I'm still trying to work out Q3 and Q4.
· Question 6 is also on the high level of difficulty. More suited to Physics ¾ course.
· Although it is a relatively easy question, I can't see any mention of wheel and axle (Question 10) in the Unit ¾ Study Design.
· Wondering whether this exam was set by a VCE Systems Engineering Teacher?
Ken Bell
Mortlake College
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Hi all.
I couldn't agree more Roger, this is an excellent area of study but I think that we need to be more specific in terms of preparing the students for the exam.
Chris
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Hi all
I agree with Brendan. Also, I have always been concerned by the fact that the key knowledge for unit 3 outcome 1 is intended by VCAA to be learned by the student in the process of designing and commencing production of a mechatronic system with control. The reality is that this key knowledge also needs to be taught as theory.
The study design lists more than 58 different components, concepts and principles as key knowledge in unit 3 outcome 1. There is no indication as to what level of understanding the student is expected to come to during the course yet it is this very list of concepts and principles that the exam is almost entirely based on. I find this level of ambiguity even more alarming than degree of difficulty pointed out by Brendan.
The student then faces the daunting prospect of sitting the paper not really knowing if they are fully prepared. Russian roulette.
I think it's a great study. But there needs to be more clarity regarding the depth that the student is expected to have in the concepts listed.
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Thanks for starting the discussion Brendan,
I agree with you that there are some questions that are quite difficult. But I recognise there needs to be difficult questions as a discriminator at the high end of achievement.
A couple that I'm interested in:
I'd be interested in seeing how Q3 was interpreted by students. Depending on how it's marked, there may be a bunch of 2/3 marks for that one. I'm not certain how the writers intended the initial connections to be done. The rest should be straight-forward for a high-achieving student.
Q4 could be interpreted in a bunch of different ways; particularly the mistake questions. I'd be interested in your interpretation of this question.
Whilst there is always going to be disagreement of what is "too hard for school students", the biggest misstep (in my opinion) is the over-emphasis on purely calculation-type questions at the expense of questions where students have to design a system to solve a problem/meet a set of performance specifications. I don't know if this was a panel-level decision or a VCAA-level decision, but that type of problem solving is core to what engineering is. From the study design: "identify and represent mechanical and electrotechnological systems in diagrammatic and symbolic forms", and "select appropriate mechanical and electrotechnological subsystems, materials and components, and produce operational systems and subsystems".
Interested in getting others' thoughts.
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Good afternoon,
I have just been reading through and working out some of the answers for todays unit 3/4 Systems engineering exam.
Has anyone else been through it?
It seems to be extremely difficult and at times way above the level of knowledge required for secondary students.
I am an electronics engineer (now systems teacher) and I really think the level of skill required was excessive for this exam.
Written by someone from a university?
What do other Systems teachers think about the exam content, wording and examples?
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Brendan D'Arcy (TNBD)
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