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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m new to the whole SD teaching thing. I must say that the whole debate (on the SRS/DFD/UCD topic) is
<u>very unhelpful</u>. If the purpose is to test whether a student can create a meaningful DFD (being on the current environment, or the future state), then I don’t really care about the details. Since there is no agreeance from those at the top on the best
way forward I’ll leave it at that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mike “The noob” Cope<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adrian Janson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 20 March 2017 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Me too!! (sorry Mark - that was for you!)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OK - my 2c worth.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">By definition an SRS is a tool that is used to lay out the specifications that will be required to be addressed by a new system. It is not a design tool and is the result of analysis that is done to determine the needs of the organisation
in regards to their information system. I feel like everyone agrees on this point - so it's probably not necessary to harp on it too much more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, the investigation of the existing system - network diagram, UCD, DFDs and other tools that might be used - are all necessary to get a feel for what the existing system does and doesn't do. While I understand where Mark is coming
from with his analogy, I feel that coming into an organisation as a contracted IT professional and being handed an SRS and being told to get to work is not realistic. You need to have an understanding of what is in existence.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What elements of the existing information system will be kept and integrated with the new system?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How will the implementation of the new system impact on what is already in place?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Without that understanding (yes - looking back to look forward), I don't see how you can possibly begin designing a new system. Many of us have done LMS changeovers or large scale implementations and have been on staff for years prior -
and even in this case, it would be a brave person who would design a new system without strongly documenting the existing system first.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adrian Janson<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, the SRS is about analysis, but why are people assuming that the
<b>existing</b> system is being analysed?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's the <b>new/proposed/modified system's requirements</b> that are being analysed in order to define what it should be able to accomplish.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An old system may be used as a reference point to find points of weakness/deficiency/failure but only so the new system can be be defined properly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Diagramming the old system is pointless, IMO. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If your computer blows up and you need to research potential new systems, you would describe your needs for the
<b>new</b> computer. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You don't create a set of diagrams that carefully explain all the functions and features of the
<b>old</b> computer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's say you are a software designer or developer hired to work on a new project. You are given an SRS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In it, you find intricate DFDs, UCDs and CDs explaining the workings of the system that you have been hired to replace. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How could that possibly be useful to you?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only logical and useful information you want is a description of the new, proposed system. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It probably will have information drawn from the existing system, but such information will be incorporated into a diagram that shows the needs of the
<b>new</b> system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An SRS is meant to be a plan for the future, not a history lesson.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here are some more VCAA exam references that clearly point to SRS diagrams referring to the new system...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2016 - C3 - the UCD is describing what the patient "<b>should be able to</b>" do. Not what they can currently do in the existing system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2014-B5- the UCD is said to "<b>show the stated requirements</b>" of the "new software".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sidebar:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As with all such discussions, messages like "<i>I agree with Fred. A DFD should describe the [old/new] system.</i>" annoy me because they don't achieve anything. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IT theory is not a democracy. Ideas are not correct because a majority of people agree with them. If so, we'd still be burning witches.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To argue a case, please provide evidence, not just "Me too" posts or unsubstantiated opinions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20 March 2017 at 10:22, ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien <<a href="mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au" target="_blank">Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="m_-3991039466285567700_m_-47515778216764"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree, in a real world situation, I would use a
DFD for designing the new program, but the study design states on page 15 that they are in the analysis phase. So until that changes, I’ll stick with the mantra of them being purely as an analysis tool and teach students to construct them as such.</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Dawson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 20 March 2017 10:01 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I am actually a little surprised to read that so many of us seem to think that an SRS is not for the PROPOSED system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">All of the top ten links in Google for “Purpose of an SRS” – show that the SRS is specifically for the NEW system being developed – to set the parameters
for the later detailed Design of the new system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">When I did one of these SRS for my industry project in 3<sup>rd</sup> year uni – it had details in terms of UML and DFDs that went all the way to describing
the code (eventually). This was all for the system we were developing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">WikiPedia starts with :</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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requirements specification</b><span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"> </span>(SRS) is a description of a<span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_system" target="_blank" title="Software system"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white;text-decoration:none">software
system</span></a><span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white"> </span></span><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">to
be developed</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">. It lays out<span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_requirement" target="_blank" title="Functional requirement"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white;text-decoration:none">functional</span></a><span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">and<span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-functional_requirements" target="_blank" title="Non-functional requirements"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white;text-decoration:none">non-functional
requirements</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">, and may include a set of<span class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_case" target="_blank" title="Use case"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0B0080;background:white;text-decoration:none">use
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describe<b> user interactions that the software must provide</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">(bold text is mine)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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for old systems. In my opinion, in the real world it would be a complete waste of time and resources to do an SRS for an old system. The SRS describes fully the system to be developed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#2F5597;background:white">Of course company goals need to be considered, along with the old system in an Investigation
(Observation and mapping of what happens in the old system) and Feasibility Analysis stage – but I struggle to see this material appearing in an SRS defining the new system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#2F5597;background:white">However, I will say that in the past I have had students do DFDs for BOTH systems –
when an old one was to be replaced!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#2F5597;background:white">I have attached a “simple” SRS downloaded from University of Texas – which mentions
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Why can’t students do this SRS for their NEW system? I also have a few developing a game – which will make this even more problematic.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">Hi Tony,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’d suggest that anything (with the
<i>possible</i> exception of a new game) has an existing system of some sort. If the student has found a real client that wants something done, then they would have to currently do it somehow. Do you have an example?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The student I have that is having the most difficulty with getting this into a diagram is looking at his pantry stock for expiry dates, but even still the existing system is a manual
one. He had to do some lateral thinking to get it, but it was there. <o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Tony Crewe<br>
Sent: Monday, 20 March 2017 8:22 AM<br>
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">Thanks Phil,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">As you will see from previous discussions, what if the need or opportunity has no existing system - manual or digital. Do students just omit that analysis without penalty?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">Then do their requirements, scope etc for their proposed solution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">Tony<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> On 20 Mar 2017, at 8:14 am, Feain, Philip A <<a href="mailto:feain.philip.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">feain.philip.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> Dear All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> That's the existing information system for the diagrams and proposed solution for the SRS. The diagrams can go in the appendices of the SRS.
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> Phil Feain.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> On 20 Mar 2017, at 8:06 am, Feain, Philip A <<a href="mailto:feain.philip.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">feain.philip.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> Dear All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> I have to agree with James. We are talking about the existing system for analysis. Students will draw the required diagrams and the do the SRS.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> Phil Feain.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> On 19 Mar 2017, at 2:58 pm, Vella, James <<a href="mailto:jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">jvella@mackillop.vic.edu.au</span></a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> The diagrams should be of the existing system or process.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Regardless of whether students are looking to meet a need or opportunity, there is almost always some existing system or manual process in place.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> The SRS is part of the Analysis stage - not the Design stage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> 1. Diagrams in the SRS - of which system? (Lisa Kerekes) 2. Re:
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Diagrams in the SRS - of which system? (Tony Crewe)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 03:14:21 +0000<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> From: Lisa Kerekes <<a href="mailto:Lisa.Kerekes@donvale.vic.edu.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Lisa.Kerekes@donvale.vic.edu.au</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <<a href="mailto:c112a04d34714ca78b79283e0f369dfb@MAIL03.donvale.vic.edu.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">c112a04d34714ca78b79283e0f369dfb@MAIL03.donvale.vic.edu.au</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Just seeking clarification/confirmation as to whether the diagrams
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> in the SRS (the Use Case & Context & DFDs) - ought to be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> - of the client's existing system (if they have one)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> or<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> - of the student's proposed solution<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> I guess I'm asking whether the diagrams are more useful to be drawn so students can grasp how the current system works ... or to plan how their solution should function.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Page 2 of VCAA's Admin Info for SBA<<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/SBA_General.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/SBA_General.pdf</span></a>>
suggests that the majority of the SRS is written to describe the new solution, based on data collected about the existing one. "An analysis that defines the requirements, constraints and scope of a solution in the form of a software requirements specification"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Assessment Criteria 3 reads:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> "Draws a set of logical conclusions with most being consistent with the data represented in the analytical tools."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Lisa Kerekes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Secondary Teacher (Computing, Media)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Phone: (03) 9844 2471 Ext: 266<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> From: Tony Crewe <<a href="mailto:TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <SYXPR01MB022351185852B381E5DA06B7CF390@SYXPR01MB0223.ausprd01.prod.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <a href="http://outlook.com" target="_blank">
outlook.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> I think best for proposed solution,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> A number of students create solution based on a need or opportunity rather than an existingsituation in any case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Tony<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> From: <a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</span></a>] On Behalf Of Lisa Kerekes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Sent: Friday, 17 March 2017 2:14 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">sofdev@edulists.com.au</span></a>><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Diagrams in the SRS - of which system?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Just seeking clarification/confirmation as to whether the diagrams
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> in the SRS (the Use Case & Context & DFDs) - ought to be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> - of the client's existing system (if they have one)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> or<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> - of the student's proposed solution<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> I guess I'm asking whether the diagrams are more useful to be drawn so students can grasp how the current system works ... or to plan how their solution should function.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Page 2 of VCAA's Admin Info for SBA<<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/SBA_General.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/SBA_General.pdf</span></a>>
suggests that the majority of the SRS is written to describe the new solution, based on data collected about the existing one. "An analysis that defines the requirements, constraints and scope of a solution in the form of a software requirements specification"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Assessment Criteria 3 reads:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> "Draws a set of logical conclusions with most being consistent with the data represented in the analytical tools."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Lisa Kerekes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Secondary Teacher (Computing, Media)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m-3991039466285567700m-4751577821676411378msoplaintext">>>> Phone: (03) 9844 2471 Ext: 266<o:p></o:p></p>
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