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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381381705-07092016><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381381705-07092016><FONT face=Arial>VCAA may
confess to a error in the SD - however it happened - and admit that they should
never have included accuracy <EM>and</EM> correctness. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381381705-07092016><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381381705-07092016><FONT face=Arial>Either
"correctness" should simply be deleted or it should be replaced by
"consistency".</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381381705-07092016><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381381705-07092016><FONT face=Arial>Now it
is over to the VCAA because surely they must respond in some way, and
soon.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=141473702-12072015><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=141473702-12072015><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Ex Traralgon and Ashwood</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=141473702-12072015><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Retired</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday, 7 September 2016 3:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 Software Development
Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity:
different between accuracyandcorrectness<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>Please come in. Sit down.
<DIV>Don't step on the cat.
<DIV>And don't take any of my cows. I've counted them.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Let me take your hand. Yes. I can see by your palm that you are
troubled.</DIV>
<DIV>A loved one has died? No?<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ah, now I see. </DIV>
<DIV>You cannot tell the difference between <I>accuracy</I> and
<I>correctness</I>.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>There's a lot of that going around.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Let me consult my crystal ball... </DIV>
<DIV>I see someone called 'VCAA'. Your spouse? No? It's a strange name. Is it
Italian?<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ah. Now it all becomes clear. I can <B>see the future</B>.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><spooky voice></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<UL>
<LI><B>Prediction 1</B>: VCAA is <I>never</I> going to explain the difference
between accuracy and correctness. Because they can't, in any sensible way.<BR>
<LI><B>Prediction 2</B>: Instead, to avoid a sticky exam moment, VCAA will
<I>never</I> directly examine students on accuracy vs correctness*.<BR>
<LI><B>Prediction 3</B>: The next study design will quietly edit out the
accuracy/correctness awkwardness.<BR></LI></UL></DIV>
<DIV></spooky voice></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Now, please cross my palm with silver before you leave the tent.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Madame Mark, the Mysterious.<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>* But I'd love to see them try. <BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 3 September 2016 at 18:36, Tony Crewe <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au"
target=_blank>TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>
<DIV>It does not really matter we we all think (2c or otherwise), saying
correct and accurate are the same is not helpful.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The study design dot point on key knowledge ....</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>"characteristics of data that has integrity, including accuracy,
timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, correctness"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>So we need to advise our students about these five
characteristics. </DIV>
<DIV>Can we get some clarification from vcaa about this?</DIV>
<DIV>Potentially an Exam case study question could ask about different
characteristics of data. I hope not.</DIV><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
color=#888888><BR>Tony Crewe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>
<DIV><BR>On 3 Sep 2016, at 6:21 PM, "<A href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au"
target=_blank>timmer@westnet.com.au</A>" <<A
href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au"
target=_blank>timmer@westnet.com.au</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Add another 2 cents to the pile.</DIV>
<DIV>I tend to agree with Robert that in the context of data integrity
'correctness' and 'accuracy' are more or less synonymous, but they each do
have a different feel to them. "The correctness of the data was called into
question" versus "The accuracy of the data was called into question" - maybe
it's just me, but 'correctness' has a more holistic feel to it, while
'accuracy' feels much more specific somehow. Hopefully students will never
be asked to pin down the subtle distinction</DIV>
<DIV>In light of the discussion so far, I can't resist this entry from a
1926 Webster's Dictionary in my possession:</DIV>"<B>Correct</B>,
<B>Accurate</B>, <B>Exact</B>, <B>Precise</B>, <B>Nice</B> agree in the idea
of conformity to standard, fact, or truth. <B>Correct</B>, the most
colorless term, denotes scarcely more than freedom from fault or error, as
judged by some (usually) conventional or acknowledged standard;
as, <I>correct</I> dress, style, deportment; ... <B>Accurate</B>
implies, more positively, conformity to fact or truth attained by the
exercise of care; as, an <I>accurate</I> investigation, statement, observer.
... <B>Exact</B> emphasizes the strictness or rigor of the agreement,
which neither exceeds nor falls short of the fact of standard; ...
<B>Precise</B> stresses rather sharpness of definition or delimitation, or
scrupulous exactness of conformity to the standard as often verges on
excess; ... <B>Nice</B> implies still greater, occasionally excessive,
fineness or delicacy of observation or discrimination ...<BR><BR>Regards
<DIV>Robert T-A<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</DIV>Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data
Integrity: different between accuracy andcorrectness<BR><BR><BR><BR>PS -
It is woth noting that most writing on data integrity refers
to<BR>"accuracy and consistency" and does not mention
"correctness"<BR><BR>Robert Hind<BR>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood<BR>Retired<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Robert
Hind [<A href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com"
target=_blank>mailto:robert@yinnar.com</A>] <BR>Sent: Thursday, 1
September 2016 9:54 PM<BR>To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers'
Mailing List'<BR>Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different
between accuracy<BR>andcorrectness<BR><BR>Hi all, my 2c worth again - from
the perspective of working with data and on<BR>database design since the
early 90s.<BR><BR>We are talking here about data integrity.<BR><BR>We are
not talking about the accuracy or precision of measurements in
terms<BR>number of significant figures or decimal places.<BR>We are not
talking about data formats, eg dd/mm/yyyy versus mm/dd/yyyy
or<BR>yyyy/mm/dd<BR><BR>Andrew's example of stating his height as
1.564334m IS a measurement<BR>"accurate" to 6 decimal places but it is not
accurate/correct as a statement<BR>of his height.<BR><BR>I still consider
correctness and accuracy as being synonymous terms when<BR>talking about
data integrity.<BR><BR>Robert Hind<BR>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood<BR>Retired<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"
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Data Integrity: different between accuracy<BR>andcorrectness<BR><BR>Hi
all,<BR>I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.<BR><BR>I could
say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.<BR>I
could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not
correct.<BR>Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that
is acceptable<BR>or expected.<BR>Can't think of a situation where accuracy
is important but correctness not.<BR><BR>Andrew Pate<BR>VCE Computing
teacher<BR>Mentone Grammar<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
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1<BR>Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 09:11:17 +0000<BR>From: "Rattan, Kushum L"
<<A href="mailto:rattan.kushum.l@edumail.vic.gov.au"
target=_blank>rattan.kushum.l@edumail.vic.<WBR>gov.au</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between<BR>accuracy
andcorrectness?<BR>To: "Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing
List"<BR><<A href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>sofdev@edulists.com.au</A>><BR>Message-ID:<BR><BR><<A
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text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>My mobile no is same. I was in a
meeting when you rang<BR><BR>Kushum Rattan<BR>ICT Curriculum Area
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SofDev] Data Integrity: different between
accuracy<BR>andcorrectness?<BR><BR>And I teach them that dates recorded in
this format in a file-naming<BR>convention is both correct and accurate as
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Travis Parker<BR>Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 3:31 PM<BR>To: Year 12
Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [Year 12
SofDev] Data Integrity: different between
accuracy<BR>andcorrectness?<BR><BR>Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big
week.<BR><BR>Try again??.<BR>I taught my kids that if you are asked for a
date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<BR>program then whilst ?1st of September
2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016<BR>is correct.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Travis
Parker<BR>Timetabler<BR>The Knox School<BR><BR>From: <A
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><WBR><<A
href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au"
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Mark<BR>Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 2:40 PM<BR>To: Year 12 Software
Development Teachers' Mailing List<BR>Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data
Integrity: different between accuracy<BR>andcorrectness?<BR><BR>I'd say
the opposite.<BR><BR>I don't think this question is ever going to be
answered until we have a<BR>plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a
dance-off competition.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Mark<BR><BR>On 1 September 2016
at 14:17, Travis Parker<BR><<A
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wrote:<BR>I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY
format in a<BR>program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically
correct, writing<BR>01/09/2016 is
accurate.<BR><BR>Mistake???<BR><BR><BR><BR>Travis
Parker<BR>Timetabler<BR>The Knox School<BR><BR>From: <A
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Behalf Of Robert Hind<BR>Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016 1:32 PM<BR>To:
'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<BR>Subject: Re:
[Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between
accuracy<BR>andcorrectness?<BR><BR>I have read Mark's views on this<BR><A
href="http://vceit.com/wp/correctness-versus-accuracy/"
target=_blank>http://vceit.com/wp/<WBR>correctness-versus-accuracy/</A><BR><BR>Don't
think they helped :-)<BR><BR><BR>I think they are essentially
synonymous:<BR>eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and
correct.<BR><BR>Robert Hind<BR>Ex Traralgon and
Ashwood<BR>Retired<BR><BR><BR>______________________________<WBR>__<BR>From:
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Data Integrity: different between accuracy<BR>andcorrectness?<BR>Hi
all,<BR><BR>As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have
both accuracy<BR>and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of
these?<BR><BR>Thanks<BR><BR>Ben Hines<BR><BR>Ben Hines<BR>Mathematics and
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