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<div class="">I hate to be a spoilsport because this discussion is so much fun, but if you look at the KK it does say “including …” which I read as “including, but not limited to …” .</div>
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<div class="">You could round-up a bunch of definitions of data quality/ data integrity and they would have various combinations and permutations of definitions. </div>
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<div class="">Cheers, Mel</div>
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<div class="">On 7 Sep 2016, at 2:59 pm, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" class="">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Please come in. Sit down.
<div class="">Don't step on the cat.
<div class="">And don't take any of my cows. I've counted them.<br class="">
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<div class="">Let me take your hand. Yes. I can see by your palm that you are troubled.</div>
<div class="">A loved one has died? No?<br class="">
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<div class="">Ah, now I see. </div>
<div class="">You cannot tell the difference between <i class="">accuracy</i> and
<i class="">correctness</i>.<br class="">
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<div class="">There's a lot of that going around.</div>
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<div class="">Let me consult my crystal ball... </div>
<div class="">I see someone called 'VCAA'. Your spouse? No? It's a strange name. Is it Italian?<br class="">
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<div class="">Ah. Now it all becomes clear. I can <b class="">see the future</b>.<br class="">
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<li class=""><b class="">Prediction 1</b>: VCAA is <i class="">never</i> going to explain the difference between accuracy and correctness. Because they can't, in any sensible way.<br class="">
</li><li class=""><b class="">Prediction 2</b>: Instead, to avoid a sticky exam moment, VCAA will
<i class="">never</i> directly examine students on accuracy vs correctness*.<br class="">
</li><li class=""><b class="">Prediction 3</b>: The next study design will quietly edit out the accuracy/correctness awkwardness.<br class="">
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<div class="">Now, please cross my palm with silver before you leave the tent.<br class="">
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<div class="">Madame Mark, the Mysterious.<br class="">
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<div class="">* But I'd love to see them try. <br class="">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 September 2016 at 18:36, Tony Crewe <span dir="ltr" class="">
<<a href="mailto:TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" class="">TonyCrewe@caulfieldgs.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">It does not really matter we we all think (2c or otherwise), saying correct and accurate are the same is not helpful.</div>
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<div class="">The study design dot point on key knowledge ....</div>
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<div class="">"characteristics of data that has integrity, including accuracy, timeliness, reasonableness, authenticity, correctness"</div>
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<div class="">So we need to advise our students about these five characteristics. </div>
<div class="">Can we get some clarification from vcaa about this?</div>
<div class="">Potentially an Exam case study question could ask about different characteristics of data. I hope not.</div>
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On 3 Sep 2016, at 6:21 PM, "<a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank" class="">timmer@westnet.com.au</a>" <<a href="mailto:timmer@westnet.com.au" target="_blank" class="">timmer@westnet.com.au</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">Add another 2 cents to the pile.</div>
<div class="">I tend to agree with Robert that in the context of data integrity 'correctness' and 'accuracy' are more or less synonymous, but they each do have a different feel to them. "The correctness of the data was called into question" versus "The accuracy
of the data was called into question" - maybe it's just me, but 'correctness' has a more holistic feel to it, while 'accuracy' feels much more specific somehow. Hopefully students will never be asked to pin down the subtle distinction</div>
<div class="">In light of the discussion so far, I can't resist this entry from a 1926 Webster's Dictionary in my possession:</div>
"<b class="">Correct</b>, <b class="">Accurate</b>, <b class="">Exact</b>, <b class="">
Precise</b>, <b class="">Nice</b> agree in the idea of conformity to standard, fact, or truth.
<b class="">Correct</b>, the most colorless term, denotes scarcely more than freedom from fault or error, as judged by some (usually) conventional or acknowledged standard; as, <i class="">correct</i> dress, style, deportment; ...
<b class="">Accurate</b> implies, more positively, conformity to fact or truth attained by the exercise of care; as, an
<i class="">accurate</i> investigation, statement, observer. ... <b class="">Exact</b> emphasizes the strictness or rigor of the agreement, which neither exceeds nor falls short of the fact of standard; ...
<b class="">Precise</b> stresses rather sharpness of definition or delimitation, or scrupulous exactness of conformity to the standard as often verges on excess; ...
<b class="">Nice</b> implies still greater, occasionally excessive, fineness or delicacy of observation or discrimination ...<br class="">
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Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy andcorrectness<br class="">
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Hi all, my 2c worth again - from the perspective of working with data and on<br class="">
database design since the early 90s.<br class="">
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We are talking here about data integrity.<br class="">
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We are not talking about the accuracy or precision of measurements in terms<br class="">
number of significant figures or decimal places.<br class="">
We are not talking about data formats, eg dd/mm/yyyy versus mm/dd/yyyy or<br class="">
yyyy/mm/dd<br class="">
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Andrew's example of stating his height as 1.564334m IS a measurement<br class="">
"accurate" to 6 decimal places but it is not accurate/correct as a statement<br class="">
of his height.<br class="">
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I still consider correctness and accuracy as being synonymous terms when<br class="">
talking about data integrity.<br class="">
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I have spoken about accuracy in terms of precision.<br class="">
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I could say I am about 1.8 metres tall. That is correct, but not accurate.<br class="">
I could say I am 1.564334 metres tall. That is accurate, but not correct.<br class="">
Each situation will require a different level of accuracy that is acceptable<br class="">
or expected.<br class="">
Can't think of a situation where accuracy is important but correctness not.<br class="">
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And I teach them that dates recorded in this format in a file-naming<br class="">
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Sorry I did mean the opposite! Big week.<br class="">
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Try again??.<br class="">
I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<br class="">
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is accurate, writing 01/09/2016<br class="">
is correct.<br class="">
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Timetabler<br class="">
The Knox School<br class="">
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I'd say the opposite.<br class="">
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I don't think this question is ever going to be answered until we have a<br class="">
plebiscite, a Royal Commission or at least a dance-off competition.<br class="">
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Regards,<br class="">
Mark<br class="">
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On 1 September 2016 at 14:17, Travis Parker<br class="">
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I taught my kids that if you are asked for a date in DD/MM/YYY format in a<br class="">
program then whilst ?1st of September 2016? is technically correct, writing<br class="">
01/09/2016 is accurate.<br class="">
<br class="">
Mistake???<br class="">
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Timetabler<br class="">
The Knox School<br class="">
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy<br class="">
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I have read Mark's views on this<br class="">
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Don't think they helped :-)<br class="">
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I think they are essentially synonymous:<br class="">
eg my phone number is 0477999111 is both accurate and correct.<br class="">
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Retired<br class="">
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Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Data Integrity: different between accuracy<br class="">
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Hi all,<br class="">
<br class="">
As part of the five characteristics of data integrity we have both accuracy<br class="">
and correctness; how do we differentiate the two of these?<br class="">
<br class="">
Thanks<br class="">
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