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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My thoughts are that if later there is a question specifically about security then the earlier question is probably NOT about security.
So it comes back to just using the stimulus material in the case study to answer the question.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Scott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 30 August 2016 10:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <sofdev@edulists.com.au><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] A question - using later exam information in earlier questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I vaguely remember Kevork (I think? Or was it one of the other sages of the group …) saying something about this in the past, and how it was unfair
to expect the students to use later information and recraft their answers. Given the level of ESL/EAL/learning difficulties in our student bodies, I’d assume any use of “future” information is accidental. Now I’m thinking about it though, there’s no reason
students have to do the exam in order and we (well, I) even encourage “cherry picking” so that the kids lock away their comfortable topics first. It’s only an opinion, but I’d assume every question should be able to be done with the question prompt and (for
part C) the case study only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Crewe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 29 August 2016 1:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] A question - using later exam information in earlier questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My gut feeling is same as yours. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Difficult to see students expected to use new info introduced later when responding to earlier question. <br>
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... But I do tell my students to check back when new info is presented. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On 29 Aug 2016, at 1:19 PM, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've resumed work on <a href="http://vceit.com/wp/software-development/sd-sample-exam/">
suggested solutions</a> to the <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/exams/technology/it-softdev-specs-samp.pdf">
VCAA sample SD paper</a> (since <i>two</i> whole people seem to want me to finish it). I'm looking at section C.
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<a href="http://vceit.com/p/postmortem-2011s.htm">2011 SD exam</a>, but you can't blame VCAA for issuing a greatest hits album from time to time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">C2 asks for constraints. I decided not to suggest 'security' - even if was obvious - since it was not mentioned as an issue of concern in the case study, and kids are enjoined to only provide answers that are relevant to the case study.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My gut feeling is 'no', but students <i>are</i> expected to read the entire paper before answering any questions... so maybe markers
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