<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have had students implement searching as part of interpreting algorithms and plan to do the same with sorting, but I still don’t see how we can mandate that students implement searching and sorting as part of a solution to the SAT. We certainly don’t demand that they use switch statements in preference to if:else statements or what loop structures they use.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It would almost seem silly demanding they maintain sorted data for most solutions given the size or complexity of program they will have time or skill to complete. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If they use XML documents or a database then sorting is not really necessary in many languages.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What if students use built in libraries to implement sorting? We don’t exclude them from using string functions and make them implement those themselves?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have approached searching in terms of algorithmic complexity and have included it in one of the Unit 3 modules.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For Unit 3 SAT my interpretation was that students need to have completed algorithms as part of the detailed design so if sorting is in Unit 4 how can it be included in the design - no sorting means no binary searching.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we do need to have students implement procedures such as sorting and searching as part of their SAT we need to be able to tell them before the end of Unit 3.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Brett</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 9 Mar 2016, at 10:02 PM, Mary Ho <<a href="mailto:homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au" class="">homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Thanks for this. My student is creating it in <a href="http://vb.net" class="">VB.Net</a>. <div class=""> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've pointed him to some tutorials so hopefully he can work it out. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mary</div><div class=""><br class="">On Tuesday, 8 March 2016, Guy Flaherty <<a href="mailto:Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au" class="">Guy.Flaherty@xavier.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="">Hi Mary,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="">Rendering pdf files inside an application will really depend on the environment the student is using. If the student has access to a web view object, something that can display html, it should be possible to
display the file. The student may be able to leverage a control that opens the installed web browser on the target machine and uses that for the display, for example. Otherwise, if they can display a html page through some kind of html control, they might
be able to utilise a javascript library like pdf.js to display the pdf. Finally, if they don’t have access to this, I suggest having the student look at pipelining the file to postscript and then to text/html as required. There are opensource tools available
for this in the ghostscript libs and I am pretty sure they work on windows?! This will not work well for all pdfs but does work pretty well for text heavy documents.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="">Good luck,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d" class="">Guy Flaherty<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="-683023625__MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></a></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">May be far easier to open the PDFs in other software and save as a text file...then read THIS file for his program.<br class="">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Do you mean the program searches the <b class="">contents</b> of a PDF? Decoding a PDF file would be way beyond the scope of an SD SAC, IMO.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Or maybe a list of PDF filenames is searched for key words and a matching PDF file is loaded by the OS ... that would be achievable.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise, I'm unsure what the student's requirements are.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 7 March 2016 at 13:32, Mary Ho <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au');" target="_blank" class="">homn@aquinas.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">I have a student who has a need, this need is to read in a pdf document into his program, once a search has been performed the relevant pdf file will load in and display on screen. Is this a viable project? He will also create a form
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Sorry about the vagueness. So he will have UI, programming logic, store of new reports and folder containing the pdf documents<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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