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<div class="">Python doesn't do arrays as such, but you can make list within list and make them function like an array, so surely that's the point. </div>
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<div class="">What are we trying to achieve? What code do we require to achieve that? </div>
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<div class="">Even though we can have mixed data type lists in Python it would be best to avoid that. </div>
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<div class="">I'm no expert here so I'm very happy to be corrected but this poses a problem with PHP and Python where arrays and lists are interchangeable. In PHP and Python arrays can contain elements of different types: e.g.
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<div class="">$fred = array("Fred", "Smith", 40, 78.50) so $fred[2] + $fred[3] = 118.5 but $fred[0] + $fred[1] should throw an error in PHP, not in Python.</div>
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<div class="">$fred = array("FName"=>"Fred", SName"=>"Smith", "Age"=>40, "Weight"=> 78.5)</div>
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<div class="">I seem to remember having this discussion with Kevork back in 2010!</div>
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Like Damien I don’t encourage my students to use List and Dictionaries because in they tend to confuse them and arrays when it comes to exams. So I find it simpler to avoid them and get the students to understand
what’s on the study design and what they’ll be assessed on.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; color:rgb(31,73,125)"> Personally steer away from Lists and Dictionaries, even though they’re technically easier to use (and in at least the case of dictionaries, sometimes faster)
purely because I don’t want to add any extra confusion for the students. When it comes to exams, they are likely to be asked questions about arrays. If they put in an example in list format, an exam assessor may not get that and give them zero…. Especially
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I’m contemplating whether on not I should teach my students about Lists in C# and VB as they will be of more use to them then Arrays when doing their SAT (List are dynamic and have more functionality). I just wanted to know what peoples thoughts are on this
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